I can see both sides of this situation.
On the one hand we have our freedoms and on the other hand we have the real need to conduct intelligence gathering. I am just not sure they are following the rules. If I understand what is going on here, always debatable, they have re-written the FISA so as to broaden their powers in regards to intercepting telephone communications and emails etc.
Now correct me if I am wrong here but the government agencies had plenty of intel to go on prior to 9-11, just not smart enough to connect the dots, not able to share the intel. So how is this going to prevent another 9-11? The problem is every government agency likes to scoop the other one. They have an mutual distrust of one another and no one likes to have their authority given to another agency. So while they say this is going to only effect calls from outside the US on at least one end of the conversation who knows? A FISA court is a secret court trouble is no one knows if it is following the law or not. If a FISA court authorizes a search of your property you will not know about it until after they have come and gone. We are risking more than our lives by giving up our freedoms a nickle and dime at a time. More and more our freedom is an illusion.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Now hand over those firearms. Am I a little paranoid? You bet!
["Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
- Ben Franklin
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that's right. it's just going to be one right after another that is going to be taken away. remember saying the "pledge" in school? I remember there being no problem with saying "one nation under God". this country was founded with God in mind and in heart. so let's take away God from the country, let's listen to their communications, let's put up cameras so we can watch them at all times. what happened to the land of the free?Originally Posted by HK4U
You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!
What made it become terriosm over international crime? We have allways had it and it's not new. Crime is evil and it has been around as long as being good has. It will only cease when humans do.
is what made it happen. 3,000-odd people who only were taking a business trip or sitting at their desks doing their mundane, non-warmongering jobs. Effectively there is the explicit statement that we will kill your women, children and anyone else we care to unless you _____________ (fill in the blank with the political agenda). If it was just gangs shooting each other, I would agree wholeheartedly that it is Darwinism identifying who we should really target for criminal investigation and prosecution. But, 300+ passengers on airplanes? Secretaries? Waitresses at restaurants? Stock analysts? Foremen and police officers on duty? They did nothing to deserve their fate. To save the conspiracy theorist crap, neither the enmbassy bombings nor the London and Madrid subway bombings were engineered by **** Cheney, Tony Blair, Jennifer Lopez or the Tripartisan Club. And simply, I don't believe the BS that some group was smart enough to pull all that off and dumb enough to screwup everything else.
Reality, DEAL with IT!
I cried when my brothers were killed in the Marine barr. I think evil is bad and the placing a new word on it does no better justice than calling someone mental ill. Evil is evil and ms13 is one of the worst here in the USA.When does a gang become a terrorst group?Alph 66 fighting castro, Reno sending that little boy back.
