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    Felling big well let's start of the new year right putting our place in the universe in perspective..

    Star Size comparison

    May your coming year be free of trials and tribulation, your worries few and minor, your friends many, enemies few and far apart. Happy New year to all!
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

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    I knew we were small, but never realized that we were that small. I enjoyed that.

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    It would take 202 days to fly around our Sun at the 900 km/hr vs 1,115 years around the big star.

    Size like that is pretty hard to imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oregon Vet View Post
    It would take 202 days to fly around our Sun at the 900 km/hr vs 1,115 years around the big star.

    Size like that is pretty hard to imagine.
    not too hard, take one grain of sand, place it next to your average 21' above ground pool, get on a tall ladder and look down, yeah that should be close....
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

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    A grain of sand

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    not too hard, take one grain of sand, place it next to your average 21' above ground pool, get on a tall ladder and look down, yeah that should be close....
    Ah. You mean if I were to take the diameter of the BIG sun and divide it by our Sun's diameter I could find out how small that "grain of sand" would be in diameter.

    Hummm 2,800,000,000km / 1,392,082.56km = 2,011.375 times

    Then I take the 21 foot pool and multiply it by 12 inches to make it easier to see what part of an inch the grain of sand is in diameter instead of what part of a foot. Both the numbers will be the same, but the inch measurement will be more familiar to us.

    21 feet x 12 inches = 252 inches.

    Then, taking the 252 inches and dividing it by the 2,011.375 factor we get:

    252 / 2,011.375 = .1253 inches. Hummmm, an 1/8th of an inch.

    According to Wikipedia Gravel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that would be gravel.

    "Gravel (pronounced /ˌgɹavʌl/) is a rock that is of a specific particle size range. Specifically, it is any loose rock that is larger than 2 mm (0.079 in) in its smallest dimension (about 1/12 of an inch) and no more than 64 mm (2.5 in). The next smaller size class in geology is sand, which is >0.0625 to 2 mm (0.0025 to 0.0787 in) in size."

    The sand I was raised around is about .010-.020 in size if I remember correctly... And THAT means using one of those grains of sand the swimming pool would be about TWO feet in diameter, not 21 feet.

    Wouldn't even need a tall ladder. Whether the difference in size between a two foot pool and a 21 foot pool "are close", I'll leave that up to others to decide.

    Maybe one or two persons who are members of USACarry.com will find the above information interesting... maybe.

    I find it interesting because fifty or so years ago, when I was in school, I somehow managed to get D's and F's on my Math and English report cards.

    Somewhere about forty-five years ago I realized I really didn't like my peers and others putting a label on me of someone who couldn't/can't add 2+2 and come up with 4 every time or someone who couldn't spell and at least use third or forth grade grammar correctly.

    It took me a LOT of hours over the years to gain pride in MYSELF and how I looked to others in the way I wrote and spelled. It probably came easy for many many people, but for me it was a LOT of work.

    I don't know WHY it was so important for me to at least be able to use grade school grammar and spelling, but it was/is for me to be able to feel good about myself.

    I look around on the many different forums I am on a various times and see that it just isn't a high priority for many many others on the www.

    It is just a personal thing, some people derive enjoyment from seeing words spelled correctly and assembled in sentences. For others... it makes no never mind. It is all part of no two of us are alike on this big ball of mud we call Earth. As long as we are okay/happy when looking in the mirror at ourselves, then I suppose that is what counts more so than what others think of us.

    Buying a SPAS-12 would really go a long ways in making me happy too! $1,500 for a used one or $2,200 for a new one is out of my reach. :(

    If someone just had one I could buy for a reasonable price...like $500 or so. Never gonna happen.

    Hopefully everyone had a nice Christmas and your New Year was enjoyable.

    Ken

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    Actually I was referring to our planet, Earth WRT the super red giant....
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

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    Alas, no grain of sand, it is a grain of mud/silt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    Actually I was referring to our planet, Earth WRT the super red giant....
    Ahh! That changes everything... we are no longer talking about "a grain of sand" now.

    It stops being called "sand" at .0025 -- two and one/half thousands. Earth and the Super Red giant makes the small item only .0012 -- one and 2/10's of a thousand, less than 1/2 of the smallest grain of sand.

    They start calling it silt or mud. Going to have to have pretty good eyes, better than mine, to see the grains in mud. We could go the other way so we could see it and compare it as:

    The Earth = 0.010 -- ten thousands vs a swimming pool 181 feet in diameter. NICE sized swimming pool!

    4 to 3 62.5125 m 0.00250.0049 in very fine sand sand
    5 to 4 31.2562.5 m 0.000150.0025 in silt mud

    It is too small to understand. So let's use something we do understand the size of from looking at photos from space of it. The Earth.

    The Earth is roughly 8,000 miles in diameter and the small item would be roughly 194 FEET in diameter.

    If we took balls 200 feet in diameter and lay them around the equator of the Earth touching each other, it would take about 663,504 of them to go around the Earth, or using the 194 foot balls it would take 684,025 of them.

    Still and all, the red super giant is pretty big. Enough about the size of it compared to other stuff.

    Thanks for the post, Sheldon, gave me a chance to use the math skills I learned in the third grade. With me, it seems that if I don't use a skill pretty regular that I will "lose" most of it. Probably that way with most people.

    Regards,

    Ken

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    Ahh. The theme song from "The Black Hole!"

    I still think poor Pluto got skunked by the scientific community!

    Here's some pics similar to the video...

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    that .010 stuff is what tears up the equipment in Iraq, n 181' pool not that uncommon but are they ever a pain to take care of....
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    that .010 stuff is what tears up the equipment in Iraq, n 181' pool not that uncommon but are they ever a pain to take care of....
    Feeling a bit on the metaphorical side today, 'eh ?!?!

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