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View Poll Results: Should Westboro Baptist Church be allowed to continue their hateful protests?

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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    Which I guess is why the vote was 8 - 1.
    Yeah, prior to Sam Alito joining the high court, first amendment cases were almost always unamimous. Alito does make a lot of token dissents resulting in 8-1 decisions. You could say that Alito is to the high court, what forum member "nogods" is to these forums, the perenial devil's advocate. This was evident in the case where the high court threw out a law writen to prevent the sale of "crush videos", which was used to prosecute a man who was a pit bull enthusiast and sold a documentary video.

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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by badarac View Post
    While I personally feel that what they do is despicable, I think that the first amendment is no less important for me to protect than my second amendment rights. You can't use the argument that your second amendment rights can't be limited or infringed upon and then call for first amendment rights to be restricted.
    I too find the actions of these people despicable. But we don't fight against these people by eroding the first amendment. That is a path I do not want to see this nation go down. We also do not fight these people with violent confrontations as some have sugested. This would play into their favor and give their "cause" more publicity.

    Instead we must fight against these Christians by becoming more objectionable to them. We defeat these people by presuring for the quick phase-out of DADT. We defeat these people by challenging the constitutionality of the DOMA. We defeat these people by showing kids DVD's of Mister Rodger's Neighborhood. (These Christians protested at his funeral, BTW) We defeat these people by going to the AVN convention to support the adult film industry. We defeat these people by purchasing, downloading, owning, renting, viewing, and enjoining adult films. We defeat these people by suporting our troops. We defeat these people by flying the black POW/MIA flag.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bikerbill View Post
    People don't seem to understand how the Constitution works ... it's the document which, along with the Bill of Rights, is the key controlling script for our form of government ... the Supreme Court is there to determine whether actions brought before it are protected by the Constitution or are not ... in this case, they have decided that the 1st Amendment is NOT violated when the wack jobs from Westboro demonstrate at military funerals ... there is no law per se involved, simply a ruling on whether the protests meet the standards of 2nd Amendment protected speech ... not sure what the above meant about "whites ... at a black gathering." But let me make another point ... even in the worst dictatorships, people can do WHATEVER they want, they simply have to be prepared to face the consequences ... thus, you are perfectly free to use the "n" word at a black power rally or kick a few Westboro butts, you simply have to be prepared to face the music. In the first case, good luck; in the Westboro case, assault charges afterwards (if they catch you) ... freedom of speech is what it is, one of the most wonderful gifts given us by the founders ... I'm a veteran and am totally opposed to Westboro's actions, but denying them the right to express their point of view is as unAmerican as it gets ...
    Okay, they can protest but at least they could have the decency to protest far away.

  5. #34
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    Ok, heres my 2 cents...Theres things you can and cannot say. For instance, if I say Im going to kill the President, I can be thrown in Jail, right? If I threaten to kill a LEO I can be thrown in jail, right? Is that not a crime against the 1st Ammendment? I sure as hell made he/she feel uncomfortable right?
    I am suprised there are no infringements against these yahoos. Weve got to stop these people from doing what they do, I know for sure if I died overseas [11B in the US Army] and these guys showed up at my Funeral, I know for sure there would be a few less of the Westboro Baptist people around, someone in my family would kill these guys, as I would if they showed up at my brothers Funeral.
    Sorry for the tension in my posting, but I really hate these people, I wish the worst on them in every way possible.
    Sucks laws protect some people, and curse another....
    Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier....One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

  6. #35
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    I am a strong believer in the first and second amendment rights. I voted no on the poll. With both the first and second comes personal responsability. Therefore there is a very fine line to follow. You can't yell fire in a crowded room. This in an example of the trouble with religion. Many don't practice the liberal, compassionate Jesus's teachings. This is definitly not something Jesus would do!

  7. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitcreekok View Post
    Part of the Westboro bunch showed up at a funeral for one of our local fallen heroes, Sgt. Jason McCluskey, Bronze Star, US Army.

    They were treated in the way that all cities should treat them. Law enforcement was out in force as well as hundreds of local folks from McAlester. Actually thousands, according to some reports.

    Our law enforcement made sure they were not a problem whereas, in other cities, law enforcement was part of the problem. Our Mayor made sure they were not a problem, whereas, in other cities, the city fathers were part of the problem.

    This link is to one story, others can be viewed also.

    Somehow all the tires on their van became flat.

    They were kept over a block from the church and were surrounded by motorcycles, who kept their chants and yelling drowned out. They never actually got to even see the family of Sgt. McCluskey and more important, the family did not see them.

    Their constitutional rights were not infringed upon (I don't think there is a constitutional right to air in your tires) but they did not bother the family. We are a small town, but we support our own.

    They actually came back later and protested the air missing from their tires, fully surrounded by local law enforcement. That was also a non event.

    I think the publicity is what they are after and if they stopped being in the papers, they might slow down their stupid protests.

    They came back to Oklahoma and protested at the funeral of a baby who had nothing to do with the Military. That is the kind of people they are.
    Thank you for sharing this story. It looked like it required quite a bit of organizing, but it was an effective way of drowning out their influence and voice.

  8. #37
    As sick and dispicable as these people are it is a tribute to the very soldiers funerals that they protest at that they have the right to do it. The soldier died protecting that very freedom that they are so freely exercising so to look at it that way would be as a tribute and honor to him/her. In the case decided by the SCOTUS I undrestand that they were kept at least 1,000' away. I think the minimum distance should be extended a little bit to maybe 1,500 miles to keep the family from having to see and hear them. I also think that they should heve to pay for any additional police actions that the local police chief feels necessary to control the crowd that may possibly show up because of their protest including the National Guard if the chief feels like it may be needed. You never can tell what could possibly happen and it is best to be prepared..

  9. #38

    Smile

    FN1910: I don't know about SC but, here in Alabama, we use the word "hant" (haunt) for spirits of the deceased wreaking havoc upon those still in the mortal world. If the spirits of the deceased military could muster together and "hant" the Westboro folks, maybe that would literally scare "hell" out of them.

  10. #39
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    It is very unfortunate that a small group(WBC) chooses to express and defend their Constitutional rights in the manner that they do. The problem is what is civil vs uncivil in terms of human behavior: they choose to be uncivil. I believe they do this also to grab media attention as well. Hopefully, their "church" is not growing because of their actions.

  11. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Itstjs View Post
    Ok, heres my 2 cents...Theres things you can and cannot say.
    For instance, if I say Im going to kill the President
    ,
    I can be thrown in Jail, right? If I threaten to kill a LEO I can be thrown in jail, right?
    Is that not a crime against the 1st Ammendment? I sure as hell made he/she feel uncomfortable right?
    I am suprised there are no infringements against these yahoos. Weve got to stop these people from doing what they do, I know for sure if I died overseas [11B in the US Army] and these guys showed up at my Funeral, I know for sure there would be a few less of the Westboro Baptist people around, someone in my family would kill these guys, as I would if they showed up at my brothers Funeral.
    Sorry for the tension in my posting, but I really hate these people, I wish the worst on them in every way possible.
    Sucks laws protect some people, and curse another....
    Not true at all. People say those kinds of things all the time. In the first one the SS would show up and interview you. If they felt you could and would do it, they would place you on a watch list.

    Posting your going to kill another group of people on a public internet GUN FORUM does not reflect well on you or us gun owners.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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