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    Quote Originally Posted by toreskha View Post
    Sure...power does corrupt to varying extents, but it doesn't make intelligent people stupid.

    Destroying the economy of the entire industrialized world would seem to be, at best, a pyrrhic victory for the wealthy and powerful. The vast majority of the food, goods and services that they use come from the same sources that ours do. Slaves don't make very good surgeons, soldiers, or anything else that they would need to effectively maintain power...so unless they're planning on using robots for nearly everything that requires any training, this seems entirely impractical.

    Contrary to popular image, these people are actually more accessible than they're often made out to be if you know where to be and who to look for. I would suggest meeting some, talking to them and forming your own opinions of their intentions before rushing to judgment. Give them the same fair chance that you would like someone to give you, if you were in a position of making decisions.


    My voting priorities are people who will minimize wasteful spending, remove us from Iraq quickly and in a way that at least saves face, protect our civil rights, such as 2A and the rights of the unborn, and turn back a substantial portion of USPA.

    McCain rarely, if ever, approves any earmarks for his home state of Arizona. He has consistently voted in favor of the rights of the unborn, and (except for once, with gun show bg checks) for 2A. IMO, getting out of Iraq is almost a given for the next President, as we can't much longer bear the expense.
    I agree that Mac is the best choice still in the race. Withdrawal from Iraq will only happen when the people there can handle things themselves. (could be next year...could be ten years)

    Energy is a challenge, but an even greater and more costly challenge is Illegal Immigration. We spend more every year on illegals than we do on the War Effort in Iraq...but you don't see that being brought up in front of congress. I say vote out as many knuckleheads as possible and start over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    I agree that Mac is the best choice still in the race. Withdrawal from Iraq will only happen when the people there can handle things themselves. (could be next year...could be ten years)
    The truth is, they're never going to be able to handle it themselves without engaging in barbarism. The Middle East is a rough place, and the only way to rule there is to be an iron-fisted warlord. Pretty much the only way to do it is to order people around at gunpoint. They know this, but we don't seem to get it.

    Energy is a challenge, but an even greater and more costly challenge is Illegal Immigration. We spend more every year on illegals than we do on the War Effort in Iraq...but you don't see that being brought up in front of congress. I say vote out as many knuckleheads as possible and start over.
    I don't know about that...energy affects all 350 million of us - not only our travel, but the travel of our goods, and even people not in-country, like troops, diplomats, etc. We're still paying for their gas. That's a constant, never-ending thing. The mail never stops, Walmart trucks never stop, airlines never stop, etc.

    Illegals are breaking the law and certainly take advantage of our system, but they're not doing any worse than your average welfare leeches. Many aren't contributing anything back, but there are exceptions. The ones that have actual jobs actually pay income taxes, and all the property taxes and fees that go along with normal life. Either way, those welfare checks are at least going somewhere, even if it's straight towards cheap liquor and cigarettes. That money is still working in the economy.

    From a strictly fiscal standpoint, the energy thing is what's going to wreck us if we don't get a handle on it. Bums we can handle, but not being able to move around is a serious problem.
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    So now what? What are you going to do abt it? We are all on this greyhound and it's going downhill fast with no brakes!
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    We need to make AK and FL accessible

    Quote Originally Posted by toreskha View Post
    The truth is, they're never going to be able to handle it themselves without engaging in barbarism. The Middle East is a rough place, and the only way to rule there is to be an iron-fisted warlord. Pretty much the only way to do it is to order people around at gunpoint. They know this, but we don't seem to get it.


    I don't know about that...energy affects all 350 million of us - not only our travel, but the travel of our goods, and even people not in-country, like troops, diplomats, etc. We're still paying for their gas. That's a constant, never-ending thing. The mail never stops, Walmart trucks never stop, airlines never stop, etc.

    Illegals are breaking the law and certainly take advantage of our system, but they're not doing any worse than your average welfare leeches. Many aren't contributing anything back, but there are exceptions. The ones that have actual jobs actually pay income taxes, and all the property taxes and fees that go along with normal life. Either way, those welfare checks are at least going somewhere, even if it's straight towards cheap liquor and cigarettes. That money is still working in the economy.

    From a strictly fiscal standpoint, the energy thing is what's going to wreck us if we don't get a handle on it. Bums we can handle, but not being able to move around is a serious problem.
    The only way we can get a handle on the situation is to braek the backs of OPEC nations. Stop Splash and dash tankers from taking subsidized dollars for ethanol over seas and force big oil to pick up the tab for R&D of alternative energies from a third party perspective so they cannot hobble the system to increase profits.

    As for illegal aliens, They are far worse than welfare mooches who were born here. They take American jobs at much lower pay and little or no benifits often using stolen SSN's to get around the IRS and taxes. They often drive without proper licenses and little or no insurance. Hospitals in CA are full of people who can't pay, making our health care insurance more expensive and placing a huge strain on the medical community.

    As for welfare checks I propose the following...I had to take a P-Test to make the money...They should have to take a mandatory urine test to spend it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    The only way we can get a handle on the situation is to braek the backs of OPEC nations. Stop Splash and dash tankers from taking subsidized dollars for ethanol over seas and force big oil to pick up the tab for R&D of alternative energies from a third party perspective so they cannot hobble the system to increase profits.
    Big Oil is entitled to its profits. They made infrastructure and exploration investments years ago, and are now reaping the benefits. Exxon, Shell and BP earned their money by doing their homework and charging what the market will support. We should not dictate their R&D policies; in addition to being meddling, that also sends the wrong message, that doing the groundwork but then reaping profits will result in those profits being stolen.

    If you don't like paying for that oil, there are affordable electric cars coming in months. Here's the Aptera, which gets up to 90 mph with a 120 mile range just on electric. Running hybrid, it gets 130 mpg. It's a two-seater and has a small trunk. The price tag is supposed to be around $30k, which is comparable to a regular car.

    That's a true SHTF car - with 10 gallons of fuel and a full charge, you could make it 75% of the way across the country going 55 mph. This thing is similar but smaller, and will only be $20k, which is like a new compact car.

    As for illegal aliens, They are far worse than welfare mooches who were born here. They take American jobs at much lower pay and little or no benifits often using stolen SSN's to get around the IRS and taxes. They often drive without proper licenses and little or no insurance. Hospitals in CA are full of people who can't pay, making our health care insurance more expensive and placing a huge strain on the medical community.
    Welfare mooches don't do that? Jacksonville is full of people who do all those things and more. There's even a specific term, which I can't repeat here, for people who hit another car and then drive off because they have warrants out, or no insurance, or no license, etc. Leeches are leeches. Maybe we can just send them all to Mexico and solve both problems at once.
    Last edited by toreskha; 06-19-2008 at 04:28 PM.
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