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  1. OK so satanism that believes in sacraficing a member from their own religion (willing person) is OK. You must have gone to public school.Publc schools have failed ever sense God was removed.
    Last edited by kwo51; 08-14-2008 at 05:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwo51 View Post
    OK so satanism that believes in sacraficing a member from their own religion (willing person) is OK. You must have gone to public school.Publc schools have failed ever sense God was removed.
    There is no religious exemption for commission of a homicide. I find it interesting that I throw out the argument of separation of church and state and I get branded a heretic. Some things throughout the millennia never change. Are we now going to do the Salem witch trials again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by netentity View Post
    Some of us don't view this ruling as bad. Need I remind you that the Supreme Court also ruled in our favor for Heller.

    Original intent? Slavery and women not having the right to vote were Constitutional at that time. Do you also condone those activities or beliefs?

    Some of us have no Christianity nor care to be any part of it. I do not need a religion to distinguish between right and wrong. It is also not my place nor is it the US or State government to decide which religion is the correct preferred one which is the original intent of the 1A. Need I also remind you that differing religions in the workplace causes conflict. It is in the best interest of order that the workplace as well as government be neutral to religion.

    I am not going to deny the historic origins of the Constitution and that the founding fathers were predominately Christian. We are dealing with the law as it stands today. No religion has any place getting a portion of the tax dollars I pay. You have the right to practice whatever religion or no religion you wish. However that stops where another person's rights begin as it interferes with the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as stated in our Declaration of Independence which predates the Constitution.

    Some of us don't view this ruling as bad. Need I remind you that the Supreme Court also ruled in our favor for Heller.

    Once in a while even they do something right.

    You quoted from the Declaration of Independence, however you left part of it out so I will fix it for you


    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    What does it say? That we are created and our rights come not from government or some paper but from the Creator. Do you really think the atheist and agnostics we have trying to run our country or ruin our country are smarter than Jefferson and the other Founding Fathers of our country?
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Need I also remind you that differing religions in the workplace causes conflict.
    I disagree with much of what you say, but mostly with this. It's not the differing religions which cause conflict...it's the lack of respect for other's beliefs which causes the strife, where there is strife, and there usually isn't. Most Americans are very accepting of another's preferences, as long as those people don't try to prosthelytize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    What does it say? That we are created and our rights come not from government or some paper but from the Creator. Do you really think the atheist and agnostics we have trying to run our country or ruin our country are smarter than Jefferson and the other Founding Fathers of our country?
    Im sure atheist's and agnostics believe they were created, maybe they view they were endowed with their rights by their parents (creators) rather than a God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netentity View Post
    Right here. You have to look at the Constitution and court rulings as a whole and how it applies today. Seperation of church and state was derived from the 14th amendment and several landmark Supreme Court rulings. You cannot cherry pick what portions of the Constitution fit your agenda or beliefs. It needs to be looked at as a whole.
    I did not ask to be directed to a wikiedia article on the subject. I asked you to show me where in the Constitution that this invention of the concept of "separation of church and state" can be found. Show me the part of the Constitution that requires separation of church and state. As soon as you can show me where the Constitution mentions that, I'll shut up.
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    I agree with the judges ruling and UC's policy. The one thing that I have found in my many many years of going to church and discussions with some very learned Bible scholars is that there is no more agreement on what the Bible means than there is on what 2A means. Too many people take one verse and try to interpret that verse out of context, not even considering that it was already translated by men to possibly mean something different than the original intent.

    I grew up in an area that was 100% Christian Protestant and religion was quite frequently discussed and taught in school. I have since learned that some of what I was taught was wrong. Some of it was a misinterpretation. I have had new Ministers at a church disagree with the previous Minister on an interpretation and I have found that taken in context and as an entire study that science does not conflict with the bible.

    Some have interpreted that the universe is around 7,000 years old. There are several scientific studies and conclusions that if you consider Eienstien's theories on time compression at high speed travel that the actual relative time from the scientific big bang considering travel distances would be an actual measurement of 7,000 years for the Earth.

  9. 7000 years old I think there are shirts in my closet older then that. That is a good number from alot of stand points ,except sciense.It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does God made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwo51 View Post
    7000 years old I think there are shirts in my closet older then that. That is a good number from alot of stand points ,except sciense.It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does God made.
    You don't believe in evolution? why we all know that the heavens and earth and all they contain started from some explosion and out of it here we are. And oh yes, an explosion in a junk yard will produce a new car.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwo51 View Post
    7000 years old I think there are shirts in my closet older then that. That is a good number from alot of stand points ,except sciense.It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does God made.
    I have heard the superstitious state that on many occasions and it just doesn't make any sense. I know it makes religious people feel superior to reinforce each others fantasies, but a statement like yours does nothing to advance any meaningful discussion.

    AND, neither does mine! These word-trading sessions are just like teaching a pig to sing!



    Go ahead and delete it. I'm sure it will frighten many people here.


    Again, why do we have to compare fantasy or lack of it on a concealed carry forum? I get tired of the members who think forcing others to believe in their imaginary friend has something to do with the purported reason this forum exists.
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