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    I believe that if you affirm, which is one of the choices, then you don't have to add the 'so help me God.' I am one who does not swear. I affirm that whatever I say is the truth, and I do not have to appeal to a supernatural power as proof I am telling the truth. People do have other beliefs that are just as credible as an invisible supernatural being. I do not look down on Christians, as long as their beliefs are genuine. One thing I do dislike is those Christians who will scream and holler all day about their right to believe as they choose, something they wish to deny others. Too many s0-called Christians uphold your right to believe as they do.
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    What happened to "change"? Past Presidents have said "So help me God" as a demonstration of their faith. He should be honest and say "So help me Allah".



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    All I can say is those that claim many of the founding fathers were deists have not study their early writings and history. I don't mean a public education in history either. Those types of statements come from an ignorance of the true facts. If someone wants to believe we came from primordial ooze that is their business. I will not however leave my faith by the way side for anyone. If they don't like it . TO BAD!
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glockster20 View Post
    As gpbarth stated, The very foundation of this nation was founded on Christian principles.

    "In God We Trust"
    "God Bless America"
    "So Help Me God"
    "One Nation Under God"

    Why do you think this nation has come so far in little more than 200 years? Because our forefathers acknowledged God and he bestowed his blessing on us. In the last 20 years the athiests and the so called "politically correct" crowd have systematically been removing God from our society. Now you have the "separation of church and state". Why do you think our country and our economy is tanking??? Because slowly but surely we are turning our backs on God. IMO.
    The economy tanking has nothing to do with any deity. It is a bible toting right wing administration that put our economy in the crapper in the first place, spouting god this and god that, and how god talks to him. But god apparently didn't tell him how to fix the country's economy, schools, or where the W.M.D.'s were sooooooo............. I don't think Yahweh cares about our economy or any of that crap. He would care about the individuals spiritual well being, not how his stock portfolio is doing.

    God was LEFT OUT OF POLITICS FOR A REASON by the FOUNDING FATHERS, some of the most intelligent men to ever step foot on this continent. It was not a requirement. Swearing in on a bible isn't really a requirement. The "God" part is optional, most people don't actually know this and most of the god things as you stated, weren't added until people like McCarthy came around and realised the Commies said religion was a weakness, while we stated it was a strength. It was a measure due to religious fervor among the populous at the time.
    God doesn't belong in politics. If he/she did, there wouldn't be so much money to be made

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocBoCook View Post
    The economy tanking has nothing to do with any deity. It is a bible toting right wing administration that put our economy in the crapper in the first place, spouting god this and god that, and how god talks to him. But god apparently didn't tell him how to fix the country's economy, schools, or where the W.M.D.'s were sooooooo............. I don't think Yahweh cares about our economy or any of that crap. He would care about the individuals spiritual well being, not how his stock portfolio is doing.

    God was LEFT OUT OF POLITICS FOR A REASON by the FOUNDING FATHERS, some of the most intelligent men to ever step foot on this continent. It was not a requirement. Swearing in on a bible isn't really a requirement. The "God" part is optional, most people don't actually know this and most of the god things as you stated, weren't added until people like McCarthy came around and realised the Commies said religion was a weakness, while we stated it was a strength. It was a measure due to religious fervor among the populous at the time.
    God doesn't belong in politics. If he/she did, there wouldn't be so much money to be made

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    “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religious, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here.” Patrick Henry 1776

    “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.” John Quincy Adams 6th US President and son of John Adams

    "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” The US Congress 1782

    "I think the Christian religion is a Divine institution; and I pray to God that I may never forget the precepts of His religion or suffer the appearance of an inconsistency in my principle and practice." James Iredell Supreme Court Justice

    "My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the Cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!" Benjamin Rush

    "Without a humble imitation of the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, we can never hope to be a happy nation." George Washington

    "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." John Jay the first Supreme Court Justice


    "Let...statesmen and patriots unite their endeavors to renovate the age by...educating their little boys and girls...and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system." - Samuel Adams

    "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson

    "The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: 'that God governs in the affairs of men.' And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?" - Benjamin Franklin

    "The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evil men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible." - Noah Webster

    "I do not believe that the Constitution was the offspring of inspiration, but I am perfectly satisfied that the Union of the States in its form and adoption is as much the work of a Devine Providence as any of the miracles recorded in the Old and New Testaments." - Benjamin Rush
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Christians (including our founding fathers) have NEVER stated nor demanded that everyone bow to and worship God and Jesus Christ. Their beliefs were never forced on anyone.

    However, those who do not believe are trying to force THEIR (non) beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe in God, no problem. Just don't try to tell the rest of us that no one can believe or express their beliefs publicly. You're right Doc - God isn't a REQUIREMENT anywhere, but it is there for those of us who believe. If you don't like God, you don't have to listen. You don't have to swear to God, you don't have to pray. You don't have to ever walk into a church. But telling everyone that, because YOU don't believe no one can believe, you're pushing your agenda on us.

    Remember, it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. And in case you don't think this nation is founded on Judeo-Christian principles, go take a close look at the Supreme Court building sometime. Then tell me how much the 10 Commandments offend you. Or how they shouldn't be displayed in public.

    We're not telling anyone how to believe, but you are trying to tell us that because it offends YOU, it shouldn't be uttered in public. Well, I don't believe in atheism, I don't believe in Buddhism, I don't beleive in Islam. And since I am in the majority in this country, I don't believe that any of these other beliefs should be allowed in the U.S. How do you like them apples? Oh, you don't? Why doesn't it work my way, but your way is okay? For the record, although I do not believe in any of those other religions, I still believe that all of them have the right to co-exist with my Christianity. So who crawled up your ass and died?

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    My point is playing devils advocate against both sides. Neither should be complaining, because both should know they have a choice. I am not an atheist, but I don't follow the Abrahamic religions either. My point is that no one is being forced to do either way. And both sides should keep their religion out of other peoples business. If they don't, we are no better than the Taliban or any other government that pushes religious rules on their people.

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    Exactly so...

    Quote Originally Posted by DocBoCook View Post
    ...And both sides should keep their religion out of other peoples business. If they don't, we are no better than the Taliban or any other government that pushes religious rules on their people.
    Exactly so:

    Watch it and SEE how we don't, ooops, DO push "our" christian beliefs on anyone.


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    Your last sentence says it EXACTLY, DocBoCook

    Except we are worse than the Taliban. We are supposed to KNOW better.

    People spout off: The USA believes in freedom of religion. Since when? Watch the movie and tell me that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpbarth View Post
    Remember, it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. And in case you don't think this nation is founded on Judeo-Christian principles, go take a close look at the Supreme Court building sometime. Then tell me how much the 10 Commandments offend you. Or how they shouldn't be displayed in public.

    So who crawled up your ass and died?
    Your right, it is of, not from. That's one of the few things the FF got wrong. Judeo Christian values? Ask a priest of the Catholic church who molests little boys how those values work. The country was founded on GOOD MORAL VALUES that happened to be written a book thousands of years ago that are followed by good human beings that had never read that book, before it was written and after it. It was a religious time when they wrote/created our country. I don't fault them for that. They did a good job with what they had.

    10 commandments. Don't offend me. They are an excellent moral code to follow, whether in the context of a book, or just being a decent human being. You can display them in public, I think there are alot of christians that have forgotten or never read those in the first place that need to see them and learn what they mean and how to live their lives like the christians they claim to be.

    This is not a personal attack against you. This is for those who claim to be christian, or hide behind that label, and use it rip people off for money (why does Yahweh need money?), guide their lives toward hate (Jews vs. Islam, vice versa, Islam against anyone not Islam, Atheist vs. Deism), Or use their position of church power to influence or harm others.

    What "crawled up my butt" is that NO ONE should push their P.O.V. on anyone. ever heard of agree to disagree? And that people hide behind Judeo Christian values and books, but at the same time don't live by them.

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    I loved the part about "people getting killed" over converting to Christianity. OH, yes, a lot of Iraqis are dying over Christianity - their own families and "friends" are killing them because of the ISLAMIC belief that anyone who converts should die.

    Christians have a belief that they (we) are to spread the faith throughout the world. There are missionaries in every country doing just that. This is common-place. The big difference is that Christians do not kill, threaten, beat or force anyone to convert to the Christian faith. You see, if you do not, of your own free will, accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, then no one can force you to.

    You have a problem with missionaries. Too bad. You think that no one should be prosthelyzing. Too bad. If I tried to tell you aboiut Jesus, and you didn't listen, who cares? But I'm not going to threaten you or harm you if you don't.

    No one is "pushing" their Christian beliefs on anyone. People are presented with the information about Christianity, and may or may not accept it. But it isn't Christians who are killing Muslims - it is Muslims who are killing Christians. Nice try, but you have your facts all screwed up. You don't like missionaries? Sorry about that, but Christians will always be trying to spread the faith throughout the world. And you can take it or leave it.

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