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  1. Quote Originally Posted by micpl View Post
    but to walk down "MAIN" street OC is an affront. Right or not. Its not civil. Being civil is what America needs to revive in our selves and our children. It wont happen by carrying guns openly up and down the streets of America. What the F$%# do you want America to look like? Beruit, Palestien, Irac? Hell, we have enough of that [email protected]# already with gangs shooting up the neighborhood. Next we will have this same moron "carrying" his AR with sliing to church.
    We have people open carrying just about everywhere in Arizona and have no issues with it. People have been doing it for years. It doesn't look like Beruit or Palestine. Maybe the rest of the country need some education and experience. If enough people in the rest of the states would grow a pair and start OC'ing this issue would die off as it should have years ago.

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    Gentlemen, several people have expressed themselves clearly, rationally, and with class.This is an example we should follow. Surely we can reason together without personal attacks. If we disagree with each other, let us do it civilly. It is a courtesy we owe to each other and to ourselves.

    I believe that OC is a matter of conditioning the sheeple.The more they see people carrying guns and not creating mischief and mayhem, the more they will be conditioned to see OC as normal and non-threatening.This conditioning does not happen overnight, but it will never happen if people like FF don't stand up for our rights.
    War to the Knife, Knife to the hilt.
    If we don't want to live in a trashy area, we all have to be willing to help pick up the trash.

  4. I am always in favor of legal and proper means of furthering our goals, but at this time the goal of freedom has been under attack for many years. Both the Brown Shirts and the Gestapo are already among us. While I sincerely hope we can improve things and save our Republic, I'm not optimistic. We've fallen too far.
    “The police of a State should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight is the foundation of civil freedom.” Heinlein

  5. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by thebrez1 View Post
    I have to strongly disagree with this, but please read my entire response before your crucify me.

    All something like this does is bring unnecessary attention at a time when the current climate politically is creating enough problems. I understand the law, but I also understand common sense. If I was a cop, what am I expected to do? Just let anyone walk down the street with a gun? I am extremely pro concealed carry and I am active in state politics regarding changing the laws to make this easier once a person has qualified, but I am dead set against open carry, at least in residential or heavily populated areas. All it does is give the antis something to work with and scares the H#*$ out of the ordinary civilian. If I was a parent and saw someone walking through my neighborhood, I would want to know who the H#*& it was too!

    I know all the arguments against my viewpoint and I even agree with many of them. However, REALISTICALY, all I see from this is a step backward for those of us trying to make things better and easier as far as getting gun legislation passed. This is counter productive and inflammatory IMHO, whether it is lawful of not, it is not SMART. Come at me with an "In Your Face" attitude for pro gun rights and you will get an "In Your Face, Right Back At Ya” response from the antis AND the average citizen. Also, it will erode our support from the many law officers that are currently on our side. This we can not afford.

    As gun owners and supporters of the 2nd Amendment, it is our responsibly to act responsibly and EDUCATE people by setting an example, not by inflaming the situation. Show someone a gun and how to shoot; get them hooked. Get them educated with REAL facts, figures and experiences. If a person’s first introduction to firearms is basically being hit over the head with one while you say "It's my right", I can assure you that I would work quickly and very diligently to make sure you no longer have that right! More importantly, the MEDIA would support me; would you be able to say the same? Would you get the coverage I would get? Just wait until I bring out my crying children that were” scared” of the “bad man with a gun!” YOUR rights do not trump MY rights. Fitting into the stereotype the media has created (wrongly), is not the example we as responsible gun owners should be displaying. We should be working to dispel that stereotype, not reinforcing it.

    To me this situation was unnecessary, counter productive and does NOTHING to increase our ability to lawfully possess a weapon. It does however, make it MUCH harder, if not impossible now to win over the people that called the police and many of those observing. "Look, the police have that gun totter down on the ground and handcuffed, I knew he was a bad guy" is what people observed and that just reinforces their negative view; it has done NOTHING to create a POSITIVE one.

    We all need to be SMARTER than our adversaries and play to OUR strengths, not THEIRS. Confrontation is not the way to achieve anything. Confrontation is EXACTLY what our opposition wants and I for one do not intend to provide them with ANTHING that could potentially hurt the cause whether I am RIGHT or not. In this scenario we potentially lost multiple families that could have been allies, given the media something to scream and stomp their feet over, threatened any rights that currently exist and alienated several police officers. Was this guy right? YES! Was he SMART? NO! Did he achieve anything POSITIVE? NO. Did he achieve anything NEGATIVE? ABSOLUTLEY!
    Red: You are expected to leave someone who isn't breaking a law alone.

    Blue: I have been open carrying for a year and I have never seen anyone run, scream, wet themselves, have a spontaneous abortion at the sight of my gun. FUD

    Green: Exactly which of my rights are trumping your rights?

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    Im sorry but i feel that you Provoked this type of response from the CHPD, I dont feel you did this to prove any type of point.

    You do realize that under Ohio Law you can be charged with "Inducing Panic" for your actions?! as a former LEO I have had encounters with people who OC and never once did they act the way you did in this video, your actions are uncalled for and show very poor regards to others who lawyfully OC and CC and who dont go around flaunting it. Dont be surprised to see a Secret Indictment sent to you in the mail.

  7. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by cc2xist View Post
    Im sorry but i feel that you Provoked this type of response from the CHPD, I dont feel you did this to prove any type of point.

    You do realize that under Ohio Law you can be charged with "Inducing Panic" for your actions?! as a former LEO I have had encounters with people who OC and never once did they act the way you did in this video, your actions are uncalled for and show very poor regards to others who lawyfully OC and CC and who dont go around flaunting it. Dont be surprised to see a Secret Indictment sent to you in the mail.
    See this thread.
    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-...epartment.html

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    hope you win

    good luck, with that.... I hope you win the case. Sounds like the female police officer thinks she's the judge and the jury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc2xist View Post
    Im sorry but i feel that you Provoked this type of response from the CHPD, I dont feel you did this to prove any type of point.

    You do realize that under Ohio Law you can be charged with "Inducing Panic" for your actions?! as a former LEO I have had encounters with people who OC and never once did they act the way you did in this video, your actions are uncalled for and show very poor regards to others who lawyfully OC and CC and who dont go around flaunting it. Dont be surprised to see a Secret Indictment sent to you in the mail.
    If a indictment was issued, I'd think that as a counterclaim he would be inline to charge them with harassment and unclean hands. Most good lawyers would write into any settlement that just what you are talking about them doing would be grounds for opening up the case again and bringing additional charges. That can be part of undisclosed settlements. That is why cases also get sealed by the courts, but can be reopened by the same court on petition of one of those involved in the case.

  10. #39
    I am glad to hear this case was settled in the defendant's favor, however, I don't believe for one moment this wasn't done on purpose. A video camera and the copy of the laws in your pocket. Who walks down the street with these things? And the comments about Nazi Germany were totally uncalled for.

    JMHO

  11. Quote Originally Posted by uscg4good View Post
    A video camera and the copy of the laws in your pocket. Who walks down the street with these things?

    JMHO
    The Brady Campaign says exactly the same thing about guns. Some people feel the need to protect themselves from criminals. Some people feel the need to protect themselves from the police. In a very small percentage, the police are no better than the criminals.

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