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    Yea you see how that handbook came in handy during this scenario. No cop is going to stop his power trip and say "Oh you have a copy of the law with you, standby sir, let me browse it real quick for a refresher, you are probably right and I will let you go, just let me check here first, hmmm....says here you're right, have a good day sir"


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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    The Brady Campaign says exactly the same thing about guns. Some people feel the need to protect themselves from criminals. Some people feel the need to protect themselves from the police. In a very small percentage, the police are no better than the criminals.
    +1 on that, a lot of cops don't even know the laws they are supposed to being enforcing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uscg4good View Post
    Yea you see how that handbook came in handy during this scenario. No cop is going to stop his power trip and say "Oh you have a copy of the law with you, standby sir, let me browse it real quick for a refresher, you are probably right and I will let you go, just let me check here first, hmmm....says here you're right, have a good day sir"

    Actually, I've stopped not one but two LEOs on a power trip by KNOWING the laws. It works more in your favor when you can recite them from memory and not read them from a piece of paper.

    First one was a Sheriff's deputy during a traffic stop for speeding, he tried to tell me OC wasn't legal in my state and that carrying a firearm in my glove box was concealed carry, on both points he was very wrong. I told him that he had better contact his CO because he was getting real close to legal and financial trouble. He looked at me for a second, radioed in and I went home that night with my speeding citation.

    Second time was a police officer that tried to perform a terry stop on me simply for carrying a firearm. See in my state, some courthouses you can OC in and some you cannot. I walked up to poke my head in and ask (gun is still outside the building so no law broken), well two sheriff's deputies and one police officer walked out side and told me I had to take it back to my car. They even tried to say I couldn't even bring it on the property. It doesn't work that way, the law plainly states "building". But since this was the type of courthouse I couldn't carry in, I took it back to my car.

    Well on my way back, the police officer stops me and immediately starts putting his hands in my pockets. Well I immediately told him to get his hand out of my pocket now, that he cannot search me.

    He says, "I'll take you in front of a judge right now that will tell you I can."

    To which I responded, "What your trying to do is a Terry stop which only allows you to frisk the outside of my clothes for things that feel like a weapon, then and only then can you reach into the pocket to see if it is a weapon. Further, the Supreme Court ruled that the simple carrying of a firearm, without other evidence that I have committed or am about to commit a crime, does not provide you the authority to even perform the stop." The look on his face was PRICELESS.

    Why? Because I sounded like a lawyer and he didn't know the specifics of the law, most of them don't.

    At that point he let me go in. After I walked through the metal detector I asked him, "Why were you even trying to search me?" His reply, "I didn't know if you had stuck it back into your pocket(Taurus PT92 in jeans...right) or had other weapons." I pointed to the metal detector and said, "I still had to pass through this didn't I?" He really felt foolish then, but obviously did not bother me further.

    If you remind a LEO that the Supreme court has ruled that they themselves are responsible for deprivation of rights under color of law, they will listen. Because they know that they can continue if they want, but if your right, all that power means nothing in front of a judge compelled by law to rule in your favor and the money's coming out of the LEOs pocket. People listen when you subtly threaten their pocketbook.

    If you cannot take the time to educate yourself on your local laws and the Federal laws that could potentially apply to a situation, then you set yourself up to be railroaded and bullied. Sad to say, but it's true.

    So yes, knowing the law and knowing what your doing and saying the right thing at the right time makes all the difference in the world.
    One must be wary of the mentality creating the problem or the law creating the crime.

    I love America and the Constitution, if you don't then get out!

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    Well said U M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    +1 on that, a lot of cops don't even know the laws they are supposed to being enforcing.
    Even down to something as simple as speeding.

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    Well said, and I agree. If you know what you're talking about, and can recite it politely I see that as being an advantage as you have clearly stated. However, trying to get a cop to read the law from your pocket like this guy did, I say to you good luck kind sir.

    Knowledge is power.

  8. All that guy did is put out a bad message for everyone that Carry's.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    All that guy did is put out a bad message for everyone that Carry's.
    Yeah, I agree. Forcing the police to follow the law just sucks. It's so nice when officers can do whatever the hell they want whenever they want and get away with it. It would be really cool if officers could arrest young women for prostitution just because the officer thinks the women's clothing is too revealing. Or if they could come confiscate anyone's house just because it is big and therefor might have been bought with drug money. No need to do any investigating, no need to know what the law says, they are cops, they can do no wrong. We need more out of control, lawbreaking officers and less law abiding citizens who stand up for their rights.

    Standing up for your legal rights is bad and should be outlawed. It puts out a bad message for everyone. Rosa Parks was just a bad apple with a bad message.






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