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  1. full carry question

    First i would like to say hello and happy thanksgiving , this is my first post and i hope i am in the right section.My question is actually for a friend who lives in upstate NY i myself live in NYC. MY friend has a NYS pistol license issued in Dutchess county On the license it states full carry. My friend carries every day and he conceals his weapon. recently he got into a discussion with some other license holders and they told him he doesn't have to conceal his weapon ,that he can wear it openly.(not that he would want to) but we are curious as to the truth of this statement. Can anyone direct me as to where i can see this in writing. Would like to also hear from some NY state holders if you know the answer to this . Thanks and have a great day Tanoose

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    NY is not an open carry state. You can OC in your home some business and hunting during season though. Not on the streets. A New York State Pistol Permit is a license to carry concealed in all other situations. BTW...welcome to the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Boy View Post
    NY is not an open carry state. You can OC in your home some business and hunting during season though. Not on the streets. A New York State Pistol Permit is a license to carry concealed in all other situations. BTW...welcome to the forum!
    Orange boy is right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Boy View Post
    NY is not an open carry state. You can OC in your home some business and hunting during season though. Not on the streets. A New York State Pistol Permit is a license to carry concealed in all other situations. BTW...welcome to the forum!
    This is mostly correct.

    No open carry unless in your home or while hunting big game, not hunting in general. You presumably cannot go squirrel hunting and open carry. Do not attempt to open carry anywhere other than those places as you risk arrest and your permit being revoked.

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    I'm always curious. When I took my course to get my "Concealed Weapons License" in Florida, my instructor was very thorough in assuring that we knew not only the law but exactly what the permit meant in terms of what you could carry, where you could carry, and why. In Florida this was even to the point of good examples of breadth of concealed "weapons" as opposed to concealed "firearms".

    I get the feeling from a lot of the questions on the forum that this is not the case for many people. Perhaps as a community we need to work to get our instructors to be more thorough or the courses more intense and complete so we can say to the public that we are properly "trained", not just that we were taught to fire a weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2beararms View Post
    I'm always curious. When I took my course to get my "Concealed Weapons License" in Florida, my instructor was very thorough in assuring that we knew not only the law but exactly what the permit meant in terms of what you could carry, where you could carry, and why. In Florida this was even to the point of good examples of breadth of concealed "weapons" as opposed to concealed "firearms".

    I get the feeling from a lot of the questions on the forum that this is not the case for many people. Perhaps as a community we need to work to get our instructors to be more thorough or the courses more intense and complete so we can say to the public that we are properly "trained", not just that we were taught to fire a weapon.
    My NC instructor also was devoted much of the class time to explaining exactly what our NC permit allows you to do, and the limitations. For example, in NC the permit is specifically a permit to carry a concealed firearm, as opposed to a concealed weapon. It is NOT permit to a knife, blackjack, etc.

    bill

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    Concealed Carry Course vs. Marksmanship Course

    Quote Originally Posted by 2beararms View Post
    When I took my course to get my "Concealed Weapons License" in Florida, my instructor was very thorough in assuring that we knew not only the law but exactly what the permit meant in terms of what you could carry, where you could carry, and why. In Florida this was even to the point of good examples of breadth of concealed "weapons" as opposed to concealed "firearms".
    I have often thought that the concealed carry classes should focus more on legalities and less on marksmanship training. Most people who opt to get a carry permit are going to get the range training on their own. The class might be one of the few places that they have access to good instruction and discussion of the legalities, short of buying an hour or two of a lawyer's time every six months and who wants to do that?!?

    Perhaps as a community we need to work to get our instructors to be more thorough or the courses more intense and complete so we can say to the public that we are properly "trained", not just that we were taught to fire a weapon.
    I would even go so far as to say that concealed carry instructors should not be required to spend time and money on live fire exercises. This would allow the instructor to focus more time on legal issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I have often thought that the concealed carry classes should focus more on legalities and less on marksmanship training. Most people who opt to get a carry permit are going to get the range training on their own. The class might be one of the few places that they have access to good instruction and discussion of the legalities, short of buying an hour or two of a lawyer's time every six months and who wants to do that?!?

    I would even go so far as to say that concealed carry instructors should not be required to spend time and money on live fire exercises. This would allow the instructor to focus more time on legal issues.
    Here is the problem. Most ccw instructors are not lawyers and therefore not qualified to give legal advice. I review laws and legal issues and I will tell you what you can and can't do in regards to state law, and I do talk about interstate laws. I spend quite a bit of time on regulations, but I make it known that any information I present is not to be taken as legal advice. The personal protection class requires a lawyer, police officer, or other qualified individuals teach an hour of the class about laws. The live fire exercises are crucial to understanding self defense situations. When in stress, you will revert to your training. In my pp classes, I go over numerous scenarios which can aid in training.

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    From what I have seen, in most cases live fire exercises for a concealed carry class consist of paper punching at known distances. Thus it can be concluded that the only benefit from such exercise is basic marksmanship. The same training effect can usually be achieved through dry-fire exercises, Airsoft or other airgun training, Beamhit or other laser type training exercises, or blank firing exercises. With the current prices of ammo, specifically requiring live-fire exercises could create a financial disincentive for a person to take a concealed carry class and thus create an economic barrier to the legal exercise of concealed carry.

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    It depends on the class. For NRA Basic pistol, paper punching is in order. This class is really geared to teach people with little to no experience with handguns. They benefit by being able to fire their first shots in a controlled environment with the help of an instructor. PP is a totally different ball game. I use cardboard bad guys and have people shoot from a number of defensive positions. For marksmanship, I only use .22. IMO, if you are going to have a defensive handgun, you should be practicing shooting regularly, so you should be able to come to class with 100 rounds. I prefer people use their carry guns for a pp class, but I do allow them to use .22, which would equate to like $4.

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