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  1. #31
    I think everyone here is well aware that they are headquartered in IL, but all their stores are NOT. The majority of their money comes from stores outside IL... They will eventually be the ones getting "clued in" if all of us gun owners stand together.

    The key to this whole thing called "Gun Rights", is "all of us gun owners standing together" That means, all the Hunters, all the Class III/NFA "Machine gun owners", all the Concealed carry ONLY gun owners, all the Open carry "because it's our right" gun owners, all the Black Rifles rule gun owners, all the Bolt Action is the only way gun owners, ALL THE GUN OWNERS...

    United we STAND, Divided we FALL...
    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
    Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse View Post
    Hoffman Estates, IL 60179
    IL!

    Have you clued in yet?
    Refer to my post above...
    Quote Originally Posted by HootmonSccy View Post
    Come on, this is the chance for a BIG coop!!

    Sears is from Chicago; one of the least gun friendly places in the country.. IF we could get Sears to change their mind, isn't that like a big slap in the face to Chicago's mayor (the big anti-gun spokesman that he is)

    Gulf Coast, Floriduh
    Sccy is the limit

  4. #33
    handgonnetoter Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by SCJeffro View Post
    this thread has gone way It's not about what would you do in this situation or that situation, it's not is it OK to OC or not...

    This thread was about a Guy who went into a Sears store, was approached by a manager and security. security reached towards the guy's gun and then told him to leave... as he was leaving they followed him threatening to have him arrested and berating him in public for carrying a gun.

    The OP then asked that we as a Pro Gun group, boycott Sears (and Kmart being part of sears with the same policy) That is what this post is about. it is pretty simple, are you Pro Gun or Anti Gun?

    If you are PRO GUN, stop shopping at places that are Anti Gun and let them know why!

    I have seen posts over and over "well you shouldn't OC" it is the OPs ONLY LEGAL METHOD OF CARRY. He CAN NOT Concealed at the moment as he has no CCW. I am waiting for MY CCW as well so OPEN CARRY is my only method also, I am not just going to leave my gun at home... I own it for protection, I carry it for protection, if I don't carry it, what good does it do me?

    I have seen "Well I have carried in Sears and Kmart before with no problem" and SO HAVE I! BUT it doesn't mean they don't have a policy against it, it means some of them just don't enforce it... Anyone here ever gone over the speed limit on the freeway and not been caught? Does it mean that there is no speed limit?

    There is a big debate right now over a state that has passed it's own law that mirrors the Federal law already on the books, because the feds don't enforce their current law. having laws and policies in place that are not enforced can be a dangerous thing, What if the Sears or Kmart you or I visit decides to enforce their policy the day we are in there carrying? Then it directly effects US not just the OP. He is trying to ensure that never happens to US!
    Sorry, lots of these topics get to going just like a face to face conversation would.

  5. #34
    handgonnetoter Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by SCJeffro View Post
    I think everyone here is well aware that they are headquartered in IL, but all their stores are NOT. The majority of their money comes from stores outside IL... They will eventually be the ones getting "clued in" if all of us gun owners stand together.

    The key to this whole thing called "Gun Rights", is "all of us gun owners standing together" That means, all the Hunters, all the Class III/NFA "Machine gun owners", all the Concealed carry ONLY gun owners, all the Open carry "because it's our right" gun owners, all the Black Rifles rule gun owners, all the Bolt Action is the only way gun owners, ALL THE GUN OWNERS...

    United we STAND, Divided we FALL...
    Agreed!

  6. This just happened to a Wisconsin OCer. You can read about it here on OpenCarry.Org. I agree, we must stand together. If we don't they will not feel the heat. They need to understand that we will spend our money elsewhere. Send a copy of your next tool purchase from Lowes or HomeDepot or your washer/dryer purchase from Best Buy, your refrigerator from wherever, etc. If we hurt them in the pocket book, they will be forced to reconsider. or
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  7. #36
    handgonnetoter Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by hardballer View Post
    This just happened to a Wisconsin OCer. You can read about it here on OpenCarry.Org. I agree, we must stand together. If we don't they will not feel the heat. They need to understand that we will spend our money elsewhere. Send a copy of your next tool purchase from Lowes or HomeDepot or your washer/dryer purchase from Best Buy, your refrigerator from wherever, etc. If we hurt them in the pocket book, they will be forced to reconsider. or
    I thought Wisconsin was one of the two states that did not allow any kind of carry of a hand gun. I think their laws are BS, but they are one of the states that are "black" in color on the CCW permit map. I don't get it.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by handgonnetoter View Post
    I thought Wisconsin was one of the two states that did not allow any kind of carry of a hand gun. I think their laws are BS, but they are one of the states that are "black" in color on the CCW permit map. I don't get it.
    In Wisconsin, we Open Carry. There is no concealed carry here. I carry a full sized Stainless 1911, cocked and locked on my waist in a belt slide, thumb break holster. Illinois is the only state I am aware of that does not allow carry for it's citizens.

    Hopefully, Wisconsin will join Vermont, Alaska and now Arizona in a blanket carry without the bureaucracy, licensing and taxation. CCW is BS. Licensing you to allow you to exercise your Constitutional Right is a crock and every time we buy into this BS about reasonable laws or responsible legislation that infringes on our right to keep and bear arms, we are losing.

    I know this is preaching to the choir, but this has to stop. Can anybody please explain to me why any state needs to license your concealed carry. Please let me know how this prevents crime since the BGs carry concealed regardless of law. If the licensing isn't there to prevent crime; which it is not, it is a tax on your Constitutional right. plain and simple. Wake up. These laws are just there to harass and screw with law abiding citizens. The rest is tax and track.

    So I wouldn't be to proud of CCW unless you're from Vermont, Alaska, or Arizona. Short of that, you've been buffalo'd.
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  9. #38
    Just read this on Facebook (Anything about Guns page)

    "I notified Sears that i would no longer be a customer of thiers due to them kicking out a law abiding citizen using thier right to arm themself. confirmation of thier ignorance:

    Dear Customer,

    WEAPONS
    ...Policy

    It is the policy of Sears Holdings Corporation (SHC) that individuals are prohibited from using or possessing firearms or weapons of any kind (including using any tool, supply, product or other resource in a manner that implies that it is a weapon)., concealed or otherwise, at any time while on Company premises (including parking lots) or while engaged in conducting business on behalf of SHC, unless specifically permitted by state law.

    Sincerely,
    Monica W,
    Retail Customer Care
    Sears Holdings Corporation"
    Now it appears this is out of their employee manual, but it was clearly addressed to a Customer implying that it applies to him as a customer as well.

    If you look closely the last line has a little bit of important info in it... "unless specifically permitted by state law." This is in conflict with what everyone else was told about the no firearms policy!! We need clarification from Sears once and for all!
    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
    Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

  10. #39
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    Just found this thread and wow, what a roller coaster. Seriously, why does any thread or topic that has anything to do with OC become a OC vs CC debate? How long must the dead horse be beaten? For the OC vs CC debate, the jury is back in, people, and it's ruled that both CC and OC have their own pluses and minuses and bickering about which is better won't accomplish a damn thing. If you want to CC, fine, do it. If you want to OC, fine, do it. TO EACH THEIR OWN. There hasn't been any factual evidence that OC has hindered CC rights, so let it go.

    Next on the docket - the off-topic issue of the hypothetical mall shooting scenario where we're nit-picking about armed people making an exit or otherwise. To definitively say whether we'd hit the nearest exit or stick around and find cover or engage the shooter... there are way too many variables that come into play for someone to say for sure what they'd do. Location, lay-out, shooter location, cover or lack of, proximity to exits, who you're with, etc. No one can read a paragraph or two about a situation and say with certainly how they'd react.

    Back OT with Sears. The "specifically permitted by state law" is a valuable and interesting catch! If that is, indeed, how their policy ir written, then we're golden! Any problem would actually be in their interpretation of their own policy! If that's the case, print it up, deliver it to a manager, and give 'em a smile and a tip of the hat as you stroll through their store armed. Keep in mind, however, that if the manager still feels as though (he) is correct in thinking that guns aren't allowed in the store, he may try and trip you up with a trespass charge. It still could result in detainment and/or even arrest if you're not careful. You'd better have some literature or some type of proof that you're NOT breaking the law or their policy just to be sure your arse is covered. It sucks some of the hoops we have to jump through to excercise our rights but the we do what we have to do, right?
    Don't do anything you wouldn't want to explain to the paramedics...

  11. #40
    See that "specifically permitted by state law" thing would be a NEGATIVE for OC in Nevada!!

    You see in Nevada OC is NOT ILLEGAL... That is, there is no law against it, however there is ALSO no law "specifically permitting it" So by that standard Sears Still has a NO OC policy in Nevada...
    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
    Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

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