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  1. Quote Originally Posted by SCJeffro View Post
    See that "specifically permitted by state law" thing would be a NEGATIVE for OC in Nevada!!

    You see in Nevada OC is NOT ILLEGAL... That is, there is no law against it, however there is ALSO no law "specifically permitting it" So by that standard Sears Still has a NO OC policy in Nevada...
    Same is true for Wisconsin. Understand that law is not a statute but rather the Constitution. The Constitution is the only law. In Wisconsin our Constitution provides for all Wisconsin Residents and visitors to the state, the The Right to Keep and Bear Arms. The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America is the Final Word.

    Because there is no law against OC in Nevada, it is specifically permitted by your Constitution and therefore legal. Check your state constitution.

    THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEVADA

    Sec. 11. Right to keep and bear arms; civil power supreme.
    1. Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes.


    The last five words are the most pertinent to this thread. That is your express permission and the rule of law that Kmart/Sears needs to adhere to.
    Igitur qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum. . .Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus, et Fidelis. . . .Nemo me impune lacessit . . .Veritas vos Liberabit. . . .ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ! . . . .Write, speak, do!

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  3. #42
    that is good

  4. #43
    iv been open carrying in mi for about 4 mouths now

  5. Quote Originally Posted by ewgoerke View Post
    iv been open carrying in mi for about 4 mouths now
    Glad to hear it. Good job and carry on. A right not exercised is a right lost.

    I've been open carrying in Wisconsin for a couple of years now. We have changed several company policies regarding Open Carry, in several larger chain stores and made them aware of their own company policy in scores of others. Many managers do not even know their own company's policies. Most businesses will go along with state law.

    We have successfully litigated against municipalities and police departments who abridged our Constitutional rights and we won both monetary awards and changes in statutes and policies of both the municipality and the police dept.

    We have protested fascist behavior of our very own state police at their headquarters in Wisconsin. We carried both sidearms and signs. "Protect and Serve not harass and coerce!" Open Carry and Concealed Carry are our sovereign rights to self-defense.

    Glad you're one of us. Stand tall. You should be proud of yourself.

    Hardballer out.
    Igitur qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum. . .Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus, et Fidelis. . . .Nemo me impune lacessit . . .Veritas vos Liberabit. . . .ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ! . . . .Write, speak, do!

  6. This is what was just posted by another gun owner who is local to me, who helped out in this situation more then i was able to.

    So consider the boycott over, and thank you to everyone that joined in and sent emails, we have a new response from Sears!

    Quote Originally Posted by SCJeffro
    After making about 6 calls and talking to 10 different people, the 2nd to last last being a VP of something or other who referred me to the investigator/case manager who sent this email...

    Quote:
    Hello,

    Its Emerald, your case manager, and this is the Sears cooperate policy regarding fire arms. Please call or email me to confirm you have gotten this information. Your case number is xxxxxxx.


    Subject: RE: Request for fire arm/weapon policy


    Here is the response from Sears Senior Counsel:


    Our corporate policy regarding customers who openly carry firearms on our store premises is that as long as the law of the state in which our store is located legally permits the open carrying of firearms (i.e. carrying a firearm on one's person in plain sight), customers will be permitted to openly carry firearms within our stores.


    Emerald Sloan
    Blue Ribbon Service Case Manager
    Sears Holdings Corporation
    Toll Free: 1-888-266-4043 extension 75
    Email: [email protected]

    Schedule: Monday - Saturday 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM (CST) off Wednesday and Sunday
    I have removed my case number (as it is attached at SEARS to my email, home address and phone number through my old SEARS account)

    So there you go, I feel this is enough for me to stop the SEARS boycott, in fact maybe you can print it out and take it to the store that kicked you out and tell the manager and Security guy to contact the Sears Senior Counsel themselves if they have questions!

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    Based on Paintsnow's information I wrote back Dylan C (see my earlier post) and told him he needed to update his information and inserted the information in Paintsnow's post.
    Just spreading the word within their organization.

    Gulf Coast, Floriduh
    Sccy is the limit

  9. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardballer View Post
    In Wisconsin, we Open Carry. There is no concealed carry here. I carry a full sized Stainless 1911, cocked and locked on my waist in a belt slide, thumb break holster. Illinois is the only state I am aware of that does not allow carry for it's citizens.

    Hopefully, Wisconsin will join Vermont, Alaska and now Arizona in a blanket carry without the bureaucracy, licensing and taxation. CCW is BS. Licensing you to allow you to exercise your Constitutional Right is a crock and every time we buy into this BS about reasonable laws or responsible legislation that infringes on our right to keep and bear arms, we are losing.

    I know this is preaching to the choir, but this has to stop. Can anybody please explain to me why any state needs to license your concealed carry. Please let me know how this prevents crime since the BGs carry concealed regardless of law. If the licensing isn't there to prevent crime; which it is not, it is a tax on your Constitutional right. plain and simple. Wake up. These laws are just there to harass and screw with law abiding citizens. The rest is tax and track.

    So I wouldn't be to proud of CCW unless you're from Vermont, Alaska, or Arizona. Short of that, you've been buffalo'd.
    Well, we can open carry in Indiana only if you have a licence to carry. It does not say CCW only, it says licence to carry a handgun. OC is a personal preference, so is CC. Any kind of licence is just a way for a state to make some money in my opinion, but with so many people around anymore, I guess they have to keep some kind of track as to what people are building or hunting - just to name a couple. I do agree with you about the handgun permits though. Next thing you know, they will try to get people to get a permit to carry a pocket knife!

  10. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by HootmonSccy View Post
    Based on Paintsnow's information I wrote back Dylan C (see my earlier post) and told him he needed to update his information and inserted the information in Paintsnow's post.
    Just spreading the word within their organization.
    This is clearly the same thing we see with other places that have similar policies, (IE Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, etc) where the policy is never or has not yet been distributed out to all the store managers and staff. We just need to keep "educating" the "sheeple" that work at these places to what THEIR OWN POLICIES really are!

    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
    Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

  11. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by SCJeffro View Post
    This is clearly the same thing we see with other places that have similar policies, (IE Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, etc) where the policy is never or has not yet been distributed out to all the store managers and staff. We just need to keep "educating" the "sheeple" that work at these places to what THEIR OWN POLICIES really are!

    Since Open Carry is NOT legal for the most part in Florida (there are exceptions), nobody in Sears will know that I'm carrying anywayz, so no real opportunity to educate. So, educating the home office is my best choice.

    Gulf Coast, Floriduh
    Sccy is the limit

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