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    LA Times - Openly bearing arms, beachgoers cite their rights

    Openly bearing arms, beachgoers cite their rights - latimes.com

    More than a dozen people packing pistols on their hips strolled down the Hermosa Beach strand Saturday, picking up garbage and distributing fliers about the rights of gun owners.

    The event was part of a burgeoning and controversial "open carry" movement nationwide promoting the right to carry guns in public. Although carrying a concealed weapon is illegal without a permit, California allows people to openly carry guns in many areas as long as they are unloaded, though they can keep ammunition with them.

    Members of South Bay Open Carry, which organized the beach cleanup, said they hope such events will dispel misgivings about gun owners and make carrying a handgun in public more acceptable. Organizers said they turned the event into a cleanup to demonstrate that they are contributing to the community.

    "Just because somebody is carrying a gun doesn't mean that they're a criminal," said Scott Brownlie, a 25-year-old firefighter who stood outside Peet's Coffee & Tea with an unloaded Colt M-4 Carbine slung across his back. "If a lot of people were allowed to carry more … there would be a lot less crime."

    Most people walked by the group without a second glance. A police spokesman said the department received no complaints about the event.

    Open Carry has drawn criticism from gun control groups that say police, not untrained gun owners, should be protecting the public.

    Similar Open Carry gatherings have taken place in recent years in San Francisco and San Diego.

    A bill by Assemblywoman Lori Saldaña (D-San Diego) would, with some exceptions, prohibit civilians from openly carrying handguns. The legislation, which was approved by the Assembly but still needs to pass the Senate, has won backing from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and the California Police Chiefs Assn.

    Suzanne Verge, president of the Los Angeles chapter of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, described Saturday's event as a "public relations stunt."

    "People use the guns in a moment of passion, under the influence, when they're angry," said Verge, whose brother was fatally shot in 1978. "I don't think it's going to lessen the risk for children and families who go to the beach."

    But Ryan Burbridge and others at the Open Carry event disagreed.

    Burbridge, an oil field equipment mechanic, said he carries a firearm whenever he goes shopping or visits a restaurant.

    Sporting a Rock Island 1911 pistol in a holster on his right hip and a clip of ammunition on his left side, Burbridge looked toward his wife, Tiffany, and their two children, Brooke, 8, and Noah, 2.

    "I would like to have the right to protect my beautiful family and not feel that people are thinking I'm breaking the law," he said. "I'm not trying to intimidate people."

    Burbridge said he hoped law enforcement officers would understand that openly carrying firearms is legal. He said he was recently handcuffed and detained before being released when he was peacefully watching a July 4 fireworks show in Long Beach with his family while armed.

    Harley Green, founder of South Bay Open Carry, met with Hermosa Beach's police chief last month to explain his group's plans. In response, police published a map that showed large sections of greenbelt, the beach and areas near schools where people are barred from carrying weapons without a permit, even if unloaded.

    As the well-armed group spent about an hour picking up litter, the reaction from onlookers was mixed.

    Ryan Rogado, a 31-year-old space engineer, stopped to watch.

    "If they were handing out weapons here, I would carry one in a second," said Rogado, who owns a handgun but has never worn it in public. "I would be more intimidated by someone who pulls out a concealed weapon."

    But as the gun toters wrapped up the event at Peet's, customer Shawna Johnson said the sight of someone armed in public was unnerving.

    "I think people have the right to arms," said Johnson, a biology student at Cal State Channel Islands, "but I think it's unsafe that people carry them on the streets."

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  3. Interesting article. Thanks for posting. Combining the open carry walk with picking up litter was a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rksap View Post
    Interesting article. Thanks for posting. Combining the open carry walk with picking up litter was a great idea.
    Your Avitar looks like a FEG P9R.

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    Open Carry has drawn criticism from gun control groups that say police, not untrained gun owners, should be protecting the public.
    Someone should inform this person that - by and large - gun owners have no interest in protecting the public. What they want is the right to protect themselves, and their Loved ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ektarr View Post
    Someone should inform this person that - by and large - gun owners have no interest in protecting the public. What they want is the right to protect themselves, and their Loved ones.
    Someone should inform this person that - by and large - police have no interest in protecting the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Someone should inform this person that - by and large - police have no interest in protecting the public.
    +1 - that was my thought in reading the article. .

    Interesting thought though.. There was recently an open carry event in Florida.. They would NOT be allowed to clean up the beach because in Florida you have to be hunting or fishing (or going to/from) to open carry. The law restricts us from the same activity as California allows.. The BIG difference thought is in Florida.. the gun CAN be loaded!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Someone should inform this person that - by and large - police have no interest in protecting the public.
    Yeah!...there's that, too!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HootmonSccy View Post
    +1 - that was my thought in reading the article. .

    Interesting thought though.. There was recently an open carry event in Florida.. They would NOT be allowed to clean up the beach because in Florida you have to be hunting or fishing (or going to/from) to open carry. The law restricts us from the same activity as California allows.. The BIG difference thought is in Florida.. the gun CAN be loaded!!!!
    They only gave us that exception for open carry because of certain reptiles and the chance of being attacked. When will legislators learn that BGs are more dangerous than gators, rattlers, and water moccasins?


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    The more gun owners that do it the more common it will become.

    Make the entire USA like it was around the year 1776 in New England... Those NOT carrying were the odd ones.

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by handgonnetoter View Post
    Your Avitar looks like a FEG P9R.
    Yes, it is. I've had it for quite a few years and love it. I don't carry it much because of its size and weight, but it's great for home defense.
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