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    If I may toss my oar into the discussion. Location has a lot to do with the perceptions of both open and concealed carry. I am a retired LEO spent 30 years as a proud member of the NYPD. The thought of most of the residents of NYC open carrying just doesn't work for me. Should NYC be less restrictive in its Concealed carry laws, most definately yes. But the need for the weapon on person is percieved to be less because of the quicker response times of the police. Notice I use the term percieved. There were times waiting for backup to arrive, as quick as they were seemed a very long time. I now live a very rural part of North Carolina. Most in my area carry either concealed or open because they are very aware that uniformed help is a long way away in most cases and the threats are much more immediate. Self reliance is forced on you, in this case, by location. I carry both open and concealed. Open when I am working around my land and in the woods. Cncealed when I go to town to get supplies. When I leave the property my wife straps on her pistol. Our threats here are both animal snakes, dog packs, coyotes and humans, push in burglaries. And so we live by a simple creed Church on Sunday range on Thursday.
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    The whole beauty of the 2nd Amendment is it is not a mandate to have to OC/CC but a right to OC/CC by individual choice. As with all our rights granted to the individual Citizen.
    "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

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    Red face The "problem" with OC and CC.

    I must be confused, I don't see any problem with people carrying firearms as they go about their daily business. I don't go around mugging people, committing rapes, or robbing convenience stores, so I could care less if the person next to me is carrying a sidearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I must be confused, I don't see any problem with people carrying firearms as they go about their daily business. I don't go around mugging people, committing rapes, or robbing convenience stores, so I could care less if the person next to me is carrying a sidearm.
    There you go again G50AE, using that dam logic. You're supposed to say how you "Feel" about it not some logical process of thought.
    "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jg1967 View Post
    This has been kinda going around in my mind for a time ... it seems to me that there is a generally critical attitude people take towards it (not you guys here, obviously). So why may that be I was wondering?

    - a lot of people want to believe bad things can't happen to them
    - if they do they firmly believe that somebody else will come to their aid
    - it's fairly unpopular these days to want to take responsibility for anything least of all for carrying a gun and potentially having to use it
    - part of that stems from the fact that creative lawyers talk courts into making decisions that defy most common sense. The fear of being sued is not mere paranoia
    - the media does their darndest best to make it appear as gun = crime / danger

    Sideline note, I'm German but have lived here for 12 years so I am looking at this from an outsider&insider perspective.

    A long time ago in ye days of ye olde wilde west (no, I was not around already for that) everybody carried and people "took care" of problems on their own and were used to that. They had a very self-reliant approach to life and it's problems. Nowadays we want to push our problems off into somebody else's lap.
    Thats why things are going to hell in a hand basket around these poor ol' United States anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    There you go again G50AE, using that dam logic. You're supposed to say how you "Feel" about it not some logical process of thought.
    OK, well I don't "Feel" the need to worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corby View Post
    If I may toss my oar into the discussion. Location has a lot to do with the perceptions of both open and concealed carry. I am a retired LEO spent 30 years as a proud member of the NYPD. The thought of most of the residents of NYC open carrying just doesn't work for me. Should NYC be less restrictive in its Concealed carry laws, most definitely yes. But the need for the weapon on person is perceived to be less because of the quicker response times of the police. Notice I use the term perceived. There were times waiting for backup to arrive, as quick as they were seemed a very long time. I now live a very rural part of North Carolina. Most in my area carry either concealed or open because they are very aware that uniformed help is a long way away in most cases and the threats are much more immediate. Self reliance is forced on you, in this case, by location. I carry both open and concealed. Open when I am working around my land and in the woods. Concealed when I go to town to get supplies. When I leave the property my wife straps on her pistol. Our threats here are both animal snakes, dog packs, coyotes and humans, push in burglaries. And so we live by a simple creed Church on Sunday range on Thursday.
    "777"

    7 = Most self-defense encounters happen within 7 yards.

    7 = Most self-defense encounters are over within 7 seconds

    7 = Most police responses take an average of 7 minutes

    Technically, the police are not charged with protecting or serving the public - they are charged with enforcing the law.

    If it comes to it, I seriously doubt if a bad guy will give me a chance to make a 911 call, much less wait 7 minutes to give the cops a chance to arrive.

    I'd like to add a fourth "7" to the list:

    7 = How many rounds of .45 ACP that are currently loaded in the magazine of my 1911A1 pistol.

    I have other numbers, but they aren't 7's, so are kind of out of context of my response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I must be confused, I don't see any problem with people carrying firearms as they go about their daily business. I don't go around mugging people, committing rapes, or robbing convenience stores, so I could care less if the person next to me is carrying a sidearm.
    I'm still confused as to what this so-called "problem" with carrying firearms is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6shootercarry View Post
    Compromise... They feel like they will get more by compromise, or so I've read.
    Go read the thread "This just in from NRA-ILA" for some of that mindset...

    Open carry or conceal carry. Right and responsibility... Embrace it and exercise the right and responsibility with love and devotion. Or choose not to, but infringe not on the right of others to do so as they choose.


    "Open carry or conceal carry. Right and responsibility... Embrace it and exercise the right and responsibility with love and devotion. Or choose not to, but infringe not on the right of others to do so as they choose."

    I like that!!!!!!!!!!!

    Can I use that?
    Ed
    "The tree of Liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I'm still confused as to what this so-called "problem" with carrying firearms is.
    The "problem" with open carry is the perception of others. I don't see a thing wrong with open carry...that was the law in AZ for years. It seemed like everyone from the guy down the street, to the manager of the local Woolco carried. Good...good for them. Then as time went on and people started to flood into AZ from points east, who were never exposed to it had no clue what the law was, or had no idea that regular folk going about their business could carry a weapon.

    I carry concealed most of the time...mainly for the sake of not wanting people to know I am carrying. Not because of a personal anti-open carry attitude, I just...and I hate this word...tactically prefer to keep it concealed against a gun grab. It's mostly a security thing. Yes, I know the weapon retention techniques drilled into me over the years as a cop...but the best retention technique in my opinion is not letting them know you are armed until you need to. Personal choice.

    In the little fart of a town I live in....it seems like EVERYONE is open carrying...and frankly in my little town I carry open too. Though most everyone here knows me as a cop, though I am now retired...no one blinks an eye seeing someone carrying. Even Miss Eva...a 76 year old retired teacher carries her Colt Detective Special with her everywhere she goes. Good for her. She doesn't like to "Mess with a sweater...it's such a nice day today." Good for her.

    BUT...when I get into Phoenix, Mesa, Scottsdale....basically out of my home area...I cover it up.

    So really...the only "problem" is the perception of people around you...and IF they could be educated...that "problem" would go away. If the rest of "We The People" would see gun people as regular people who have taken the choice to be responsible for our own defense and our own safety, and not as right wing nuts with a gun...many many more would come over from the dark side.

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