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    T o be honest...................

    I think I would be moving out of there ASAP!

    And if we don't respect that we are Cop Haters?

    Amazing!

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    He's lucky

    He's luck he didn't get his ass shot. Obviously he was trolling for issues. 1) he's open carry in Philadelphia no less AND 2) he carries a recorder on him at all times? (his words).

    Sounds like a mix of paranoia and machismo. Bad combination in any event.

    Some Philly cop has a service pistol leveled at his chest and he tries to 'educate' the cop about some (to the cop) obscure statute. And I don't care what the tone of his voice, in that scenario, he was being argumentative. In that moment, I don't know a single LEO that wouldn't act the same as these LEO's did. Shut down a possible lethal situation then cover the bases. SOP

    Was he legally in his right to be OC? Don't know. I'd have to read the statute, but having lived in Philly area for 18 years, unless I wanted trouble, I wouldn't do it. And before everyone spouts off about "It's his Constitutional right" His 'rights' won't do squat for his widow and orphaned kids (assuming he's married with kids) but you get my point.

    Just because you CAN do a thing does not mean you MUST do a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    I know they could not possibly know every single law on the books.
    Why not? They expect YOU to.

    Walk into the Chipotle at the corner of Center Ridge Rd. and West 210th in Rocky River, Ohio with your firearm partially exposed when there's a cop in there. Make sure you don't have a valid OH CHL or recognized equivalent.

    When he detains you, tell him you "didn't know" that it was unlawful in Ohio to:
    1. Carry concealed without a CHL or without a recognized equivalent.
    2. Carry into a liquor serving establishment.

    YOU have an ABSOLUTE duty to know and obey the law. How can a "trained" LEO have ANY lesser duty to do so, ESPECIALLY when he's depriving someone of their liberty, and or threatening their life?

    This "too many laws for the cop to know" nonsense has to be RUTHLESSLY crushed everywhere we encounter it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walt629 View Post
    He's luck he didn't get his ass shot. Obviously he was trolling for issues. 1) he's open carry in Philadelphia no less AND 2) he carries a recorder on him at all times? (his words).
    1. Philadelphia doesn't have gun laws. By state law, they CAN'T have gun laws, ANY gun laws. That's settled law, PERIOD. It's even part of PA LEOs' annual training.
    2. It's legal for him to open carry in Philadelphia, anywhere where it would be lawful anywhere else in PA. The only limitation is that he MUST have either a PA LTCF or recognized equivalent.
    3. I carry a voice recorder EVERY time I carry, and usually when I'm not carrying. It is the norm for LEOs to either not know or not care about the law, especially regarding CCW or open carry. It is also not uncommon for them to engage in "flights of fancy" in official reports. Having and using a voice recorder where lawful to do so ensures that there are negative consequences to any propensity for "creative writing" exercises. Never being allowed to testify under oath constitutes a "negative consequence"... perhaps a career ending one.
    4. Nobody has to like the law, merely obey it. There's no exception for LEOs.
    5. YOU have an absolute duty to know and obey the law. An LEO may not like it, but he has the same duty. There's utterly no reason not to hold him to that duty. Annual MPOETC training means that the cop who claims he "doesn't know" that open carry is lawful, is either lying or incompetent to serve in that position. Either one should get him a one way ticket to the unemployment line.

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    Up to 3 minutes Who in the hell argues w/ a cop that is pointing a gun at them? Comply w/ their comands invoke your right to remain get a lawyer and sue their asses.

    4 minutes he invokes his Miranda and keeps talking once you invoke Miranda you shut up

    essentially anything he said after that was wrong IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    1. Philadelphia doesn't have gun laws. By state law, they CAN'T have gun laws, ANY gun laws. That's settled law, PERIOD. It's even part of PA LEO's' annual training.
    2. It's legal for him to open carry in Philadelphia, anywhere where it would be lawful anywhere else in PA. The only limitation is that he MUST have either a PA LTCF or recognized equivalent.
    3. I carry a voice recorder EVERY time I carry, and usually when I'm not carrying. It is the norm for LEO's to either not know or not care about the law, especially regarding CCW or open carry. It is also not uncommon for them to engage in "flights of fancy" in official reports. Having and using a voice recorder where lawful to do so ensures that there are negative consequences to any propensity for "creative writing" exercises. Never being allowed to testify under oath constitutes a "negative consequence"... perhaps a career ending one.
    4. Nobody has to like the law, merely obey it. There's no exception for LEO's.
    5. YOU have an absolute duty to know and obey the law. An LEO may not like it, but he has the same duty. There's utterly no reason not to hold him to that duty. Annual MPOETC training means that the cop who claims he "doesn't know" that open carry is lawful, is either lying or incompetent to serve in that position. Either one should get him a one way ticket to the unemployment line.
    And all that having been said, none of it does a darned bit of good if the dumb ass gets shot by a cop because he has an exposed weapon and he refuses to follow the LEO's commands.

    Nothing in my reply said The guy didn't have the RIGHT to open carry, I simply said the guy didn't have the SMARTS to open carry. Lancaster, Reading, Columbia, Harrisburg (maybe) open carry would be no problem in Penna. But Philadelphia and Pittsburgh you are asking for trouble.

    Luckily for this guy, the initial response LEO called for back up and the back up LEO could diffuse the situation. Under the first contact situation, if the guy sneezed, literally sneezed, he could be dead right now. His right for open carry wouldn't do any good for him, would it?

    Just because you CAN do a thing does not mean you MUST do a thing.

    Common sense is not very common any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walt629 View Post
    And all that having been said, none of it does a darned bit of good if the dumb ass gets shot by a cop because he has an exposed weapon and he refuses to follow the LEO's commands.

    Nothing in my reply said The guy didn't have the RIGHT to open carry, I simply said the guy didn't have the SMARTS to open carry. Lancaster, Reading, Columbia, Harrisburg (maybe) open carry would be no problem in Penna. But Philadelphia and Pittsburgh you are asking for trouble.

    Luckily for this guy, the initial response LEO called for back up and the back up LEO could diffuse the situation. Under the first contact situation, if the guy sneezed, literally sneezed, he could be dead right now. His right for open carry wouldn't do any good for him, would it?

    Just because you CAN do a thing does not mean you MUST do a thing.

    Common sense is not very common any more.
    I oc in small towns with a recorder also because you never know when a LEO or BG will tackle you from behind.

    I have never gone into the cc forum and insulted cc'ers as being "paranoia and machismo... dumb ass" or "didn't have the SMARTS" why do you come here and insult?

  9. #18
    They acted stupidly
    Armed...not dangerous.

  10. Question OC really c'mon

    I can see both side, but not all the way through.
    Question: why argue with LEO?
    Not the best idea.
    Question: why record your whole day?
    Do you hope for trouble or are you just staying in the wrong place too long?
    Question: why not comply with the LEO?
    IMO, comply, answer without arguing and this MIGHT have been less than front page news or jail.
    Again, IMO just do what is right.
    Someone said 'Just because it is leagal does not mean it is right'
    Its like going to the beach wearing a full snow suit, do you really want the added attention?

    This is not to hurt or slander anyone, just think outside the holster once in a while.

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    Personally I think we should do away with concealed carry and instead allow only open carry. I can expound on the reason later.

    To be sure, the people like this young man sometimes have personality issues that distinguish themselves from the rest of the crowd, and not always in a good way.

    But they are the very people who challenge us and our government in peaceful ways that advance personal liberty. The Rosa Parks', the Gregory Lee Johnson's, and even the Fred Phelps' of the world are the ones that keep the rest of us from falling asleep at the wheel of this ship of freedom we are ridding on.

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