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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hamberger View Post
    I used to be a Guard/Driver for a Nationally known Armoured Car Company. Our Company Safety Officer told us many times that if armed robbers were going to hit one of our Trucks, they would do so with weapons already drawn and quite possibly firing at us as they did so. He went on to say that our weapons were basically just cosmetic, and to keep them holstered. Our weapons were there only to keep the honest people honest. I still believe what B2Tall said to be relevant - If your in a store and a BG walks in and sees your OC'ing you will be the first target, I don't care what you've seen on YouTube!!!
    That's a big IF!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hamberger View Post
    I used to be a Guard/Driver for a Nationally known Armoured Car Company. Our Company Safety Officer told us many times that if armed robbers were going to hit one of our Trucks, they would do so with weapons already drawn and quite possibly firing at us as they did so. He went on to say that our weapons were basically just cosmetic, and to keep them holstered. Our weapons were there only to keep the honest people honest. I still believe what B2Tall said to be relevant - If your in a store and a BG walks in and sees your OC'ing you will be the first target, I don't care what you've seen on YouTube!!!
    I find it hilarious that you have to resort to comparing an armored car robbery to Joe Citizen getting shot first in the convenience store robbery. Why? Because you can't produce ONE example of Joe Citizen getting shot first because they were open carrying. NOT ONE! Why don't you try to tell us next that these four officers were shot first because they were open carrying?

    4 Wash. State Police Officers Gunned Down - CBS News

    Give me a break. The only place where Joe Citizen open carrier gets shot first is in the imaginations of those who are against open carry.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hamberger View Post
    He went on to say that our weapons were basically just cosmetic, and to keep them holstered. Our weapons were there only to keep the honest people honest.
    Did you practice a gangsta strut? Since you were obviously trying to look either gangsta or "tactical".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Give me a break. The only place where Joe Citizen open carrier gets shot first is in the imaginations of those who are against open carry.
    Does the sight of my gun scare you? Have a tissue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    That's a big IF!
    I think the correct term is FUD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    That's a big IF!
    Is it?? IF the perp is determined to rob the place you're in for whatever reason and he sees your pistol (Why wouldn't he?? That's why you're OCing - so BGs can see it and hopefully be deterred) then you're going to be singled out for special attention. I'm not saying he's going to walk up to you and blow your brains out but you can count on the gun being trained on you in particular. He's probably going to want that nice, shiny Glock/Kimber/S&W/ etc. that you've got strapped on in addition to whatever cash he gets from the establishment. You're now in the worst case scenario - a BG (or 2 or 3...) with a gun trained on you demanding you reach over with your off-hand and toss the gun over to him. You now have 2 choices - hand it over or start a firefight with (most likely) bystanders caught in the crossfire. Ugly. Very ugly.

    I agree that OCing wil deter crime much of the time, but if it doesn't you're now in a far worse situation than you would have been if you were CCing. That's what I'd be worried about. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Until then, to each his own. If you feel more comfortable OCing then by all means do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Give me a break. The only place where Joe Citizen open carrier gets shot first is in the imaginations of those who are against open carry.
    So if you were in a situation where bullets were flying you'd just shoot randomly instead of targeting the "other" guy with the gun??

    Remind me not to choose you for my paintball team.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    So if you were in a situation where bullets were flying you'd just shoot randomly instead of targeting the "other" guy with the gun??
    And now, ladies and gentlemen, you will notice we have had to make the leap from Joe Citizen merely open carrying to an active shooter, again in order to offer lame justification of an imaginary argument that the open carrier will get shot first. You guys are a riot!
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    And now, ladies and gentlemen, you will notice we have had to make the leap from Joe Citizen merely open carrying to an active shooter, again in order to offer lame justification of an imaginary argument that the open carrier will get shot first. You guys are a riot!
    I've already said that OCing doesn't mean you're going to automatically get shot. Go back and read my posts. As I pointed out in a previous thread, the vast majority of robberies with a firearm don't result in somebody getting shot.

    Can you explain to me why you think a BG won't single-out an OCer in a robbery situation??

    Again, when I say "single-out" I don't necessarily mean getting shot. Maybe the BG comes up behind the OCer and pistol-whips him. Maybe the BG puts a gun in the OCer's ribs and takes the gun out of the holster, maybe he tells the OCer to get the gun with his off hand and to put it on the floor, etc. etc. There are all sorts of ways a BG could react to an OCer. In any case, the OCer now finds him/herself in a much more difficult situation than a CCer.

    Let me put it in a way you might be able to relate to, LT: You've just led the overthrow of our corrupt and repressive government and you're out hunting down facist government stragglers. You walk into your favorite morning coffee stop and you see 2 guys on your "Most Wanted Former Government Facist" list. One of them has a pistol on his hip while the other doesn't. Who ya gonna go after first??? Hmmmm.....who are you gonna point your gun at first??? (this is where you dodge the question like you have so many times before by telling me how ridiculous my scenario is or how I'm a traitor or how it doesn't apply yada yada yada...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Is it?? IF the perp is determined to rob the place you're in for whatever reason and he sees your pistol (Why wouldn't he?? That's why you're OCing - so BGs can see it and hopefully be deterred) then you're going to be singled out for special attention. I'm not saying he's going to walk up to you and blow your brains out but you can count on the gun being trained on you in particular. He's probably going to want that nice, shiny Glock/Kimber/S&W/ etc. that you've got strapped on in addition to whatever cash he gets from the establishment. You're now in the worst case scenario - a BG (or 2 or 3...) with a gun trained on you demanding you reach over with your off-hand and toss the gun over to him. You now have 2 choices - hand it over or start a firefight with (most likely) bystanders caught in the crossfire. Ugly. Very ugly.

    I agree that OCing wil deter crime much of the time, but if it doesn't you're now in a far worse situation than you would have been if you were CCing. That's what I'd be worried about. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Until then, to each his own. If you feel more comfortable OCing then by all means do it.
    This is speculation on my part but I don't see that the criminal has anything to gain by pressing the attack. Why do I want to hit the Quickie Mart on 8th where I saw a guy w/ a gun when I can just as easily go to 10th and hit the Stop and Rob?

    There was a story that made the rounds on all the gun fora last year in which the eagle eye robber walked right past a guy w/ a replica Peacemaker on his hip and proceeded to try to rob the place. The Peacemaker guy ended up either chasing him out of the store or killing him I don’t remember which.

    I notice when I see someone OC because I’m looking for it most people out there don’t even notice it because they’re too wrapped up in their own little world.

    I don’t OC to show of and I don’t OC for deterrent value and I don’t OC to be the great RKBA evangelist. I do so because the Colorado Constitution affords me that opportunity and it makes my life easier at times.

    Bottom line , if you can legally do so and you choose to OC go for it if not don’t
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