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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    This is speculation on my part but I don't see that the criminal has anything to gain by pressing the attack. Why do I want to hit the Quickie Mart on 8th where I saw a guy w/ a gun when I can just as easily go to 10th and hit the Stop and Rob?
    I agree that that's the most likely outcome of OCing but I'm not yet convinced it would happen enough. A pistol on somebody's hip is gonna be a nice prize to some thug out there. Now if half the adult population were OCing at any given time, the BGs would know that they'd be so outgunned that it would be suicidal for them to try something. We're a long way from that.
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    I am comfortable with both and practice both. I always believed how you carry is a personal preference. Main thing, concealed or open, is practice, practice, practice.... drawing and shooting when at the range.
    "When you have to shoot...shoot, don't talk."---Tuco Benedicto Pacífico Juan María Ramírez (aka "The Rat")From The Good the Bad and the Ugly.

  4. #53
    DING DING DING!

    Fighters go to your corners!

    OK, new rule for this topic. Nobody is allowed to use the words "maybe" and "might" when referring to the actions of the BG. Instead, substitute the words "will" and "won't".

    Like I stated earlier, we can come up with scenarios that COULD happen. Some states have had OC for decades. There have never been any cases (that I know of) where the BG has targeted an OC'er. Could it happen? Yes. Will it happen? Possibly someday. Is it worth arguing over? No.

    I don't care if people OC or CC as long as they carry.

    See what you've done. I've gone and started to repeat myself. Soon I'll be one of those grumpy old men sitting on the porch yelling at the neighborhood kids.

    "HEY YOU KIDS! GET OFF MY LAWN!1

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Lakeland Man View Post
    Some states have had OC for decades. There have never been any cases (that I know of) where the BG has targeted an OC'er.
    Today's TMJ4 - Local News - Video - Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint

    Open Carrier Arrested After Scuffle

    Just before someone beats me to it. Like you said, though.... some states have had open carry for decades. We only have two examples....

    Compare that to the number of armed robberies of individuals and/or places where there was no gun visible or where we don't know if there might have been an open carrier present or not because the open carrier was completely unaffected.

    And to add a weight to the other side of the scale:

    http://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/19/g...rket-shooting/
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    A lot of this has already been said. I prefer to OC whenever possible. Primarily for the reason that my carry piece is an XD .45. Climate, environment, and the specific situation will determine whether I CC or not. For example, Ill conceal when the law requires it like going to establishments that serve alcohol for on premises consumption here in AZ. Sometimes it is easier to CC in Washington because I've been talked to by LE, I've been asked lots of questions by bystanders, and ran into a person who was a special kind of crazy. Sometimes I don't want to deal with the sheeple and I don't want to come across as being confrontational or irresponsible so Ill conceal. And there are times a jacket or sweater covers the gun because it's cold. It just depends on the situation.

    I OC because it is far more comfortable, much more tactically convenient, and I'd rather do what I can to stop a confrontation from starting rather than still be ID'ed as a possible target.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by acmariner99 View Post
    Sometimes it is easier to CC in Washington because I've been talked to by LE, I've been asked lots of questions by bystanders, and ran into a person who was a special kind of crazy.
    Washington is getting much better as far as LEO training goes. Because we have had incidents in the past where the LEOs have gotten the smack-down, there have been many training bulletins issued to address the legality of open carry. The Washington State Constitution protects the carrying of firearms much more strongly than the 2nd Amendment does.

    I welcome the interaction with bystanders, it is usually an informative, civil and intelligent discussion about the subject. But yes, there have been times when I have probable been a little too short with someone and have simply replied, "It's legal" and been on my way when I have been in a hurry.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeland Man View Post
    DING DING DING!

    I don't care if people OC or CC as long as they carry.
    My sentiments exactly
    "When you have to shoot...shoot, don't talk."---Tuco Benedicto Pacífico Juan María Ramírez (aka "The Rat")From The Good the Bad and the Ugly.

  9. #58
    My concern with the debate is that we will NEVER really know the side of the story that tells us how many criminal acts were actually prevented by the presence of a person OC. If the criminal saw that there was higer than expected risk and walked away.... there is no report of a "considered and rejected crime".
    Conversely, we can clearly see the situations like the ones that NavyLT points to (btw - I think in the first it didn't make him a target but allowed the criminal a chance to prepare perhaps..., the second - well.. there's always a nut job to be found somewhere). My point is really that we have no valid statisical model from which to draw valid conclusions, mostly anecdotal references to support one-side and SOME cases of visible evidence to support the other. Maybe some day, Tom Cruise will find those precogs and we can get enough pre-crime data to create a good model.... but don't hold your breath..... or do...
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  10. BTW,

    Here is a documented case of open carry preventing a crime:

    Open carry deters armed robbery in Kennesaw - Atlanta gun rights | Examiner.com

    So, now the scales are even for what I have posted. 2+ open carry, 2- open carry.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    I believe that OCing does deter crimes in many instances but the problem is when it doesn't it makes an OCer a big target. Also, I don't believe that any stats are kept about who was shot while OCing and who wasn't.
    (Insert random tough-guy quote here)
    "See my gun?? Aren't you impressed?" - Anonymous sheepdog
    The hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different.

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