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    The Problem With Some People Who Open Carry.

    Armed man raises alarm downtown | SeacoastOnline.com

    Read this story.
    His open carry is in violation of both state and federal school campus laws.
    Do you think that he should have been ignored because of the 2nd?
    What do you think should be done to him?

    Unfortunately WE ALL must live with the consequences of people like this who are either ignorant or just stupid.

    What would YOU have done if you had witnessed this situation?
    Even if you had been just driving past?

    Seriously think about it.
    I would like to know.

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    The Problem With Some People Who Open Carry.

    A few items on this:

    1. Common sense dictates that you do not do this in the first place.
    2. Most schol zones are not no gun zones if you read the law. Just no guns on school property.
    3. Open carry and concealed carry are bot part of the 2nd Amendment.
    4. I have open carried in a school zone with no problem. Just a sidearm. Not rifle.
    5. When in doubt about anything like this, check it out with the authorities first.
    "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

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    Shows how freaked out people have become about guns. I probably would have cased the weapons and double parked to shuttle the weapons into the residence like the police LT suggested because I know how schools freak out now.

    In comparison I was on the high school trap shooting team so I brought a Remington 870 pump action shotgun to school and stored it in my locker on practice and match days. By the way, I went to high school in California in the mid 1980's.

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    First, he did NOT violate New Hampshire state law.

    Second, he should be arrested and tried for any crimes that he did commit (violating 18 USC 922 (q)) which would require the charges to be brought by Federal authorities and tried in Federal court. Hopefully, it would open the door to a court case that would strike down 18 USC 922 (q) as unconstitutional.

    Third, given the TOTALITY of the circumstances: near the school, at the time of school dismissal, and carrying firearms/ammo not normally associated with or in a manner consistent with self-protection, I would probably have called 911 and continued to observe the guy, especially since I would more than likely be armed myself. Also, since I would likely be in the area to pick my daughter up from school, I would call her, tell her exactly where I was, and to come immediately to the car without stopping to talk to friends.

    Now.... if it's just a person carrying a handgun in a holster... no problem, I wouldn't look twice, especially since I would be exhibiting the exact same behavior myself.

    Also, I would not consider this guy to be an "open carrier" based on the description of this incident. To me an "open carrier" is a person who normally carries a firearm the exact same way a "concealed carrier" does, except their shirt is tucked in behind their gun rather than in front of their gun.

    Finally, since you posted this in the open carry forum vice the general gun discussion forum, and given the title of your thread, it is apparant to me, at least, that you only bring this discussion up as an excuse to push your anti-open carry sentiments and rhetoric.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    The Problem With Some People Who Carry Concealed.

    The Problem With Some People Who Carry Concealed.

    Former York man faces concealed weapon charge | SeacoastOnline.com
    Read this story.

    His concealed carry is in violation of state laws.
    Do you think that he should have been ignored because of the 2nd?
    What do you think should be done to him?

    Unfortunately WE ALL must live with the consequences of people like this who are either ignorant or just stupid.

    What would YOU have done if you had witnessed this situation?
    Even if you had been just driving past?

    Seriously think about it.
    I would like to know.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway View Post
    Armed man raises alarm downtown | SeacoastOnline.com

    Read this story.
    His open carry is in violation of both state and federal school campus laws.
    Do you think that he should have been ignored because of the 2nd?
    What do you think should be done to him?

    Unfortunately WE ALL must live with the consequences of people like this who are either ignorant or just stupid.

    What would YOU have done if you had witnessed this situation?
    Even if you had been just driving past?

    Seriously think about it.
    I would like to know.
    Why are you trying to up your post count by posting something that is already on the forums. As I said in the OP under the New Hampshire boards. He did nothing WRONG!!! They had no grounds to stop him! I love how people who don't live in NH and know nothing about the laws(other then what they hear,are told or read ON THE INTERNET) like to play armchair commando!.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    Why are you trying to up your post count by posting something that is already on the forums. As I said in the OP under the New Hampshire boards. He did nothing WRONG!!! They had no grounds to stop him! I love how people who do not live in NH and know anothing about the laws(other then what they hear,are told or read ON THE INTERNET) like to play armchair commando!.
    As for what I would have done if I drove past. I would ask him what kind of weapons he has and how he likes them. Then ask him if the day at the range was fun.

    FYI, Per state law you can Open carry a fully loaded ak-47/ar-15 into the court house and turn it over to the rent a cops and pick it up on the way out. You can carry said weapons into the state house with out having to turn them over.

    Another FYI, He was on PUBLIC PROPERTY the whole time! He never set foot on the school grounds with said firearms.

    If you have a permit issued by your state that does a background check, does that not exempt you from the GFSZ?

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    First, he did NOT violate New Hampshire state law.

    Second, he should be arrested and tried for any crimes that he did commit (violating 18 USC 922 (q)) which would require the charges to be brought by Federal authorities and tried in Federal court. Hopefully, it would open the door to a court case that would strike down 18 USC 922 (q) as unconstitutional.

    Third, given the TOTALITY of the circumstances: near the school, at the time of school dismissal, and carrying firearms/ammo not normally associated with or in a manner consistent with self-protection, I would probably have called 911 and continued to observe the guy, especially since I would more than likely be armed myself. Also, since I would likely be in the area to pick my daughter up from school, I would call her, tell her exactly where I was, and to come immediately to the car without stopping to talk to friends.

    Now.... if it's just a person carrying a handgun in a holster... no problem, I wouldn't look twice, especially since I would be exhibiting the exact same behavior myself.

    Also, I would not consider this guy to be an "open carrier" based on the description of this incident. To me an "open carrier" is a person who normally carries a firearm the exact same way a "concealed carrier" does, except their shirt is tucked in behind their gun rather than in front of their gun.

    Finally, since you posted this in the open carry forum vice the general gun discussion forum, and given the title of your thread, it is apparant to me, at least, that you only bring this discussion up as an excuse to push your anti-open carry sentiments and rhetoric.
    While I am not sure of Gordon's reasons or motives for starting this thread I do have to agree with NavyLT that while no STATE laws were broken FEDERAL law does come into play. Perhaps this could have been the start of a case in court to overturn the FEDERAL law. I do hope that if Natioal Reciprocity does happen the FEDERAL LAW will be changed or eleminated. I also agree that the person carrying the firearms was not 'open-carrying' as I think of open carriers. In this case I would have called 911 and prepared myself to take action IF NO OTHER OPTION WAS AVAILABLE AND I SAW THE PERSON TAKING AIM. I know this opens up a 'what would you do' scenario but I lived only 2 blocks from the school in Stockton Ca where Patrick Purdy killed those children. I was nearby and in a position to act and if armed I would have acted. Please no 'second-guessing' as the circumstances were unique. But back to this particular scenario. NavyLT is also correct in that the manner in which the individual carried tthe guns was something that needed to be watched. At the very least this individual is guilty of 'NO COMMON SENSE". In a way it is the same thing as talking about bombs on a plane, not a good idea. Oh and while I for the most part carry concealed I have carried openly and have no problem with it. Good post NavyLT. And NavyLt my small Papillion dog will lick your big dog to death and then I will sik all of his 10 pounds on you unless I get my hat back. I need it by Christmas. Santa

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    Quote Originally Posted by santa View Post
    And NavyLt my small Papillion dog will lick your big dog to death and then I will sik all of his 10 pounds on you unless I get my hat back. I need it by Christmas. Santa
    To be honest with you, Daisy, the Shar Pai-Lab mix would put up a big braking front when confronted with someone she didn't know, but if you said "boo" to her while she was doing it, she would run and hide. We used to say, "Yeah, some Chinese fighting dog you are!" I lost both my dogs and about 13 firearms in the divorce.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    If you have a permit issued by your state that does a background check, does that not exempt you from the GFSZ?
    Yes, however our subject in the story did not have a permit.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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