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    Quote Originally Posted by CPW1265 View Post
    I agree with Tuckers mom....the element of surprise is gone and now that the bad guy/girl now knows you have a gun and might use it against you.
    I prefer concealed.
    Surprise is not a defensive tactic. If you have to draw your gun you've already lost the element of surprise because you're reacting to an attack
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Surprise is not a defensive tactic. If you have to draw your gun you've already lost the element of surprise because you're reacting to an attack
    You're right. Surprise is an offensive tactic and IMO a very effective one. Using a firearm is never defensive even if you're doing it to protect yourself. Nobody uses a gun to deflect incoming bullets. Guns are used to take the fight to the enemy regardless of the situation. The moment you bring your firearm to bear on a target with the intention of shooting, you've just gone on the offensive.

    I support OC but it's not for me personally.
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    I'm with b2tall, I support it as a right but would choose not to do it personally

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    Either is legal in my state (Nebraska). I CCW most of the time since my manhood does just fine behind my zipper and I don't need to carry a substitute for it on my hip. On the other hand, I am not paranoid about my pistol showing, and often fuel my car or do other short tasks with my vest or my jacket in the car and my pistol exposed. At 6' 3" and 350#, with a face that would cause a Polar Bear to run for cover, I am not worried about surprise or deterrent. I am not a person that has "victim" stamped on his forehead. That being the case, I am not really worried about the "average" criminal, but the psychopath that really does not care and is going to kill you anyway (as has happened in a couple of convenience store robberies lately). That is why I usually have Glock 21 or Glock 30 on me, and I can draw it just as fast from under my vest as I can without the vest (the benefit of practice). When I am somewhere that CCW is required (either due to the situation or due to the request of someone that I respect), I carry concealed. My Glocks in cold weather, and my Beretta 85 in warm weather.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Punch View Post
    Either is legal in my state (Nebraska). I CCW most of the time since my manhood does just fine behind my zipper and I don't need to carry a substitute for it on my hip.
    Why is it that you feel the need to make such immature and ridiculous statements about fellow pro-gun Americans? Seriously, you lose 100% credibility when you make such childless and useless statements. If you want to portray yourself as a man, than speak like a man instead of an imbecile.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Using a firearm is never defensive even if you're doing it to protect yourself. Nobody uses a gun to deflect incoming bullets.
    I actually agree with you on that. However, firearms can also be deterrence. Deterrence is only effective if the enemy knows about. Given two targets within fairly close proximity to each other that are relatively equal to each other with the exception that one is known to be hardened by the presence of a firearm and one is not - the choice of which target to attack is clear, given the ease with which a firearm can be obtained by the criminal by many means other than taking from an armed person that can kill them in the process.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    While I personally dont care how one carries, as long as you carry, a hypothetical question does come to mind.

    Suppose all CCWs were revoked and no longer available, would those of you opposed to OC no longer carry?

    Now dont cloud the question with particulars of state law such as OC not being legal, or not legal without a permit. Just suppose it was legal and your only method of carry, because folks that is the only method of carry protected by the 2A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    I actually agree with you on that. However, firearms can also be deterrence. Deterrence is only effective if the enemy knows about. Given two targets within fairly close proximity to each other that are relatively equal to each other with the exception that one is known to be hardened by the presence of a firearm and one is not - the choice of which target to attack is clear, given the ease with which a firearm can be obtained by the criminal by many means other than taking from an armed person that can kill them in the process.
    "Hardened"??? As in armor protection??

    Given the choice of a target that is unarmed and a target that is armed (and thus can kill you easier), only a fool would first shoot the unarmed one. This is common sense at its most basic level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unfettered Might View Post
    While I personally dont care how one carries, as long as you carry, a hypothetical question does come to mind.

    Suppose all CCWs were revoked and no longer available, would those of you opposed to OC no longer carry?

    Now dont cloud the question with particulars of state law such as OC not being legal, or not legal without a permit. Just suppose it was legal and your only method of carry, because folks that is the only method of carry protected by the 2A.
    I would OC. It's certainly better than nothing but not better than CCing IMO.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    "Hardened"??? As in armor protection??

    Given the choice of a target that is unarmed and a target that is armed (and thus can kill you easier), only a fool would first shoot the unarmed one. This is common sense at its most basic level.
    Why attack at all? 99.5% of the American population walks around visibly carrying a gun. Only a fool would attack the .5% of the public visibly carrying guns when they have 99.5% of the rest of the population to choose from.

    To quote Captn Cook in this thread:
    I know they say that the element of surprise is gone but that isn't completely true.
    Unless you have your strong side towards people they most likely won't even see it. And unless they are looking at it it seems that most don't even notice it right away at least.
    To quote Philip Van Cleave, President of the Virginia Citizens Defense League:
    Gun Owner Saves Lives In The Richmond VA Golden Market Shooting
    Here are my thoughts from watching that tape:

    Talk about a cold-blooded, fast attack where an innocent was shot without warning! Unbelievable. Situational awareness is really important. Luck doesn’t hurt, either.
    Open carry was an advantage in this case because in the video I saw just how fast the GO managed to draw his gun and begin to return fire. You always hear about how open carry is so bad tactically – you’ll be the first one shot, etc. Oh, yeah? The GO had a HUGE gun in plain sight and he was NOT shot. Who got shot first? An unarmed store owner.
    I'm sorry, but the "you'll be shot first" theory just does not prove to be true in real life. Is it possible to happen? Certainly. It's also possible to be killed by a flower pot pushed from a skyscraper balcony by a monkey.

    BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | Monkeys create havoc in Delhi
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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