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    As far as I go,I prefer to Carry Concealed. Out of Sight,Out of Mind. Less chance for some Anti-Gunner to Create an problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Why attack at all? 99.5% of the American population walks around visibly carrying a gun. Only a fool would attack the .5% of the public visibly carrying guns when they have 99.5% of the rest of the population to choose from.

    I'm sorry, but the "you'll be shot first" theory just does not prove to be true in real life. Is it possible to happen? Certainly. It's also possible to be killed by a flower pot pushed from a skyscraper balcony by a monkey.
    In many cases yes, the BG will try to find an easier target. But if it's a determined BG, or a desperate BG, or a BG who decides he wants your gun in addition to whatever loot he might get, that pistol on your hip just made you a target of special significance.

    I tell ya what O-4, let me put it in terms that might help a little more.

    Let's say you're the CO of a warship.....a Burke-class DDG. You and your ship have been ordered to attack and sink or capture 3 targets. 2 of the targets are unarmed cargo ships and the other is a heavily armed escort....a modern enemy destroyer. Which of the 3 is going to be the focus of your initial attack??

    It's going to be the heavily armed escort (i.e. the OCer) isn't it?? Take out the only real threat to your ship and you can deal with the other targets as you will without fear of counterattack because you've eliminated the threat.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    In many cases yes, the BG will try to find an easier target. But if it's a determined BG, or a desperate BG, or a BG who decides he wants your gun in addition to whatever loot he might get, that pistol on your hip just made you a target of special significance.

    I tell ya what O-4, let me put it in terms that might help a little more.
    Let me put it to you, B2Tall in terms that might help a little more. Show us examples in real life where the open carrier was targeted first.

    I'll start:
    http://www.usacarry.com/open-carrier...after-scuffle/

    Balance that against:
    http://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/19/g...rket-shooting/

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...bbery-kennesaw

    and

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/71002412.html

    and then there's this one, with no indication whatsoever that his gun had anything at all to do with the armed robbery since armed robbery is rampant in that area anyway...

    http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/95999354.html
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Cook View Post
    Unless you have your strong side towards people they most likely won't even see it. And unless they are looking at it it seems that most don't even notice it right away at least.
    Then it's not a very effective deterrent.
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  6. Remember, I never said that a visible gun will deter every robbery. But, if I am eating breakfast in a Waffle House, and the potential bad guys see my gun and choose to move on, like any bad guy with an ounce of intelligence would do, I have spared myself and my family the trauma of going through the robbery, possibly seeing me shoot someone and killing them, and the legal defense against a civil lawsuit should the family of the criminal decide to file one.

    That's why I open carry.

    If I am involved in a robbery situation.... it doesn't matter if my gun is concealed or not.... I am still going to be involved in the robbery situation and concealed carry did nothing to change that.

    If I open carry, there is at least the possibility that I will deter the robbery.... if I conceal carry there is no possibility of deterring the robbery.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Let me put it to you, B2Tall in terms that might help a little more. Show us examples in real life where the open carrier was targeted first.
    Answer the question O-4. What ship do you go after first and why.

    Or if (hypothetically, of course) you're a crackhead who's jonesing bigtime and nothing is going to stop you from robbing the Kwiki-Mart even though there's an OCer waiting in line.......

    Or you're a gangbanger who sees a guy walking in a parking lot with a nice, badass pistol on his hip and you want it.....along with the street cred that your homies will give you when you show them your new piece.....

    Etc., etc., etc.

    As far as examples of OCers being attacked first.....well, as far as I know there are no stats on such things. I just consider it common sense. That's what I'd do if I were a dertermined thug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    If I open carry, there is at least the possibility that I will deter the robbery.... if I conceal carry there is no possibility of deterring the robbery.
    True enough, but if you OC and don't deter the robbery, the CCer will have the upper hand in most cases. That's the way I like it.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Let's say you're the CO of a warship.....a Burke-class DDG. You and your ship have been ordered to attack and sink or capture 3 targets. 2 of the targets are unarmed cargo ships and the other is a heavily armed escort....a modern enemy destroyer. Which of the 3 is going to be the focus of your initial attack??
    It would depend on a lot of circumstances and is not a cut and dried answer. First, what is the value of the cargo ships as compared to the threat posed by the escort. If the value of the cargo ships was high, then it would make more sense to conduct a swift and surprise attack on the cargo ships. The escort can only be in one place. Attack the cargo ships from the direction so that the cargo ships are between myself and the escort and the escort has to either run around the cargo ships or fire over/around them. I would also maneuver to keep the cargo ships between my vessel and the escort, like hostages.

    It would also depend on the balance of firepower between the escort and the attacking ship. Is the attacking ship much more heavily armed than the escort, or does the escort have the advantage? If I were assigned to planning for the defense of the cargo ship, would I send out a warship disguised as a fishing vessel? Or if the cargo ships were carrying nuclear warheads would I escort them with an Aircraft Carrier or Battleship Group? Why would I escort them with the A/C Carrier or Battleship Group?... because that is called deterrence. When you have a target of value, you deter an attack against it. That's why large sums of money are guarded by armed and uniform security. If the element of surprise was the solution to everything, wouldn't they pay Joe Schmuck minimum wage to carry the money in a Volkswagen with highly trained covert escorts to defend against the criminals only after the attack has begun? But that isn't the way money is guarded is it?

    Why are stores posted with signs that say You are under video surveillance? Why do alarm companies put signs in yards and stickers on windows? Why do cars with alarms have the flashing red light on the dash? Why do all these big companies put so much research and money into visible deterrence when they could just keep their defenses hidden and have the "element of surprise" in their side?

    If I were going to attack the cargo ships from a submarine, I would not even bother with the escort ship. I would simply sneak past the escort and torpedo the cargo ships.

    Deterrence is about showing the enemy that the potential gains that may be obtained from a target are not worth the potential consequences of starting the attack.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    I tell ya what O-4, let me put it in terms that might help a little more.

    Let's say you're the CO of a warship.....a Burke-class DDG. You and your ship have been ordered to attack and sink or capture 3 targets. 2 of the targets are unarmed cargo ships and the other is a heavily armed escort....a modern enemy destroyer. Which of the 3 is going to be the focus of your initial attack??
    As the commander of a warship you have no choice but to carry out the orders given to you. Let's ask the same question but this time you're a Somali Pirate who are you going to attack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    True enough, but if you OC and don't deter the robbery, the CCer will have the upper hand in most cases. That's the way I like it.
    How is drawing from under your shirt/coat/jacket/whatever against an opponent who already has a gun in his hand having the "upper hand"?
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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