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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    How is drawing from under your shirt/coat/jacket/whatever against an opponent who already has a gun in his hand having the "upper hand"?
    Because he doesn't know I'm armed. I'm just another person in the Waffle House, 7-11, gas station, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    As the commander of a warship you have no choice but to carry out the orders given to you. Let's ask the same question but this time you're a Somali Pirate who are you going to attack?
    Actually, I'll let LCDR enlighten you as to the discretion that the commander of a U.S. Navy warship has while at sea.

    Your Somali pirate comparison doesn't apply here. My warship question is simply another version of what we're talking about - 2 people (you and a BG) both armed with a pistol. The ability to take out each other is the same (please....no hair-splitting over gun caliber, etc.). The bottom line is that whether you're a bad guy or a good guy you're going to take out the most imminent threat first, and somebody with a pistol on their hip is a bigger threat than someone without.

    I think of worst case scenarios. Sure, there'll be plenty of times when a BG sees an OCer and decides to go elsewhere. That's great. But the WCS in that instance is that the BG, for any number of reasons, doesn't go elsewhere. In that case I believe the OCer with be the first person the BG deals with either by attempting to disarm the OCer or (God forbid) simply capping him. In that case I prefer to be the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing who's just blending in with the crowd.

    We've been over this before. You go on being an OCing deterrent. I'll be the other alternative when the deterrent fails.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Actually, I'll let LCDR enlighten you as to the discretion that the commander of a U.S. Navy warship has while at sea.

    Your Somali pirate comparison doesn't apply here.
    You've got to be kidding, right? Really, haha, funny guy! Who is a criminal robbing a waffle house more like, a US warship operating under orders from the Commander in Chief or the Somali pirates? Seriously? The Somali pirate comparison doesn't apply? Give me a break.

    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall
    I think of worst case scenarios. Sure, there'll be plenty of times when a BG sees an OCer and decides to go elsewhere. That's great. But the WCS in that instance is that the BG, for any number of reasons, doesn't go elsewhere. In that case I believe the OCer with be the first person the BG deals with either by attempting to disarm the OCer or (God forbid) simply capping him. In that case I prefer to be the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing who's just blending in with the crowd.
    In everyday life, it's pretty, ummm...., I'll use the word impractical (being kind) to think only in terms of WCS. How many spare tires do you carry? Why only one? For one, your WCS of the open carrier being shot first because of the gun has NEVER been recorded to EVER happen. WCS so far has been the nut job grabbing the gun that I posted the link to earlier. How many times has that happened? ONCE. We'll never know how many personal attacks have been deterred because of the visible presence of the firearm because the bad guy isn't going to come up to us and say, "Lucky you, I was going to rob you until I saw your gun!" But the odds are much, much greater that crimes have been deterred over the odds of the open carrier being a target. I will stick with playing the odds in my favor of not having to use my gun because I have deterred the attack to begin with. It's, ummm... impractical to allow the fear of WCS dictate otherwise. At least in my neighborhood.

    TREO,

    If I was a Somali pirate, I would let that ship that has the .50 CALs or surface-to-surface missiles on deck or being escorted by a warship just sail on by. I would wait for the cargo ship that appeared, visibly, to be defenseless. Kind of a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    You've got to be kidding, right? Really, haha, funny guy! Who is a criminal robbing a waffle house more like, a US warship operating under orders from the Commander in Chief or the Somali pirates? Seriously? The Somali pirate comparison doesn't apply? Give me a break.



    In everyday life, it's pretty, ummm...., I'll use the word impractical (being kind) to think only in terms of WCS. How many spare tires do you carry? Why only one? For one, your WCS of the open carrier being shot first because of the gun has NEVER been recorded to EVER happen. WCS so far has been the nut job grabbing the gun that I posted the link to earlier. How many times has that happened? ONCE. We'll never know how many personal attacks have been deterred because of the visible presence of the firearm because the bad guy isn't going to come up to us and say, "Lucky you, I was going to rob you until I saw your gun!" But the odds are much, much greater that crimes have been deterred over the odds of the open carrier being a target. I will stick with playing the odds in my favor of not having to use my gun because I have deterred the attack to begin with. It's, ummm... impractical to allow the fear of WCS dictate otherwise. At least in my neighborhood.

    TREO,

    If I was a Somali pirate, I would let that ship that has the .50 CALs or surface-to-surface missiles on deck or being escorted by a warship just sail on by. I would wait for the cargo ship that appeared, visibly, to be defenseless. Kind of a no-brainer.
    Wow. You guys really missed the point. I guess you just read what you want to read, interpret things literally, and ignore the subtle context. A gross overestimation on my point.

    You just keep living in your best case scenario world. I'm beginning to think that "Punch" might have a point with his previous post.
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  6. We make one request. Show us in real life where the open carrier has been shot first in a robbery. That's all. One simple little request. It should be easy to fulfill.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Now LCDR....., You know that he will be gone for years trying to find that non-existent info.. Oh, wait....


    That was brilliant Sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    We make one request. Show us in real life where the open carrier has been shot first in a robbery. That's all. One simple little request. It should be easy to fulfill.
    Google "police officer murdered" and you'll find plenty of instances of OCers (i.e. the police officer) who're killed by assailants even though they had pistols on their hips.
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    I live in Texas and I'd like open carry of a handgun to be legal. (It is for long guns.) I doubt I'd ever show up at the local Kroger's with an openly carried handgun, but it'd be nice to be able to walk the quarter mile up to my mail box without worrying about a cover garment.

    Where I grew up open carry was (theoretically) legal - if you wanted the hassle. No one ever did unless they were hunting. Concealed carry was illegal, but I knew a fair number of folks who did.

    My theory? If open carry is illegal, it gives LEO types one more "hassle factor" if your "concealment" slips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim fox View Post
    I live in Texas and I'd like open carry of a handgun to be legal. (It is for long guns.) I doubt I'd ever show up at the local Kroger's with an openly carried handgun, but it'd be nice to be able to walk the quarter mile up to my mail box without worrying about a cover garment.

    Where I grew up open carry was (theoretically) legal - if you wanted the hassle. No one ever did unless they were hunting. Concealed carry was illegal, but I knew a fair number of folks who did.

    My theory? If open carry is illegal, it gives LEO types one more "hassle factor" if your "concealment" slips.
    If your mailbox is on your property, you CAN open carry to check it (open carry is legal in Texas on your own property)

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    B2, you know damn good and well that your example of POLICE officers being targeted is outright wrong... they were NOT targeted because they were open carrying, they were targeted because they were cops....


    Your stance/argument is so weak you have to resort to bull-crap/smoke and mirrors to try to support it... Pathetic

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