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  1. Quote Originally Posted by amsgator View Post
    Yea, and more cops get killed than military troops (number serving/number killed). So using this logic I guess it's about time to have a movement to stop supporting our troops and begin supporting our garbage men, fishermen, and farmers. After all, none of the troops EVER break any laws or commit war crimes.
    A little defensive are we? Have a tissue...
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Haha no

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    My standard response to ANY question from a law enforcement officer is "While I fully support the job that you do, I will not answer any questions from a police officer without my lawyer present. Am I free to go?"

    Incidentally, I WAS a police officer for a bit over three years. While I won't argue with those of you who have good friends or family members who are cops, I WILL tell you that a significant majority of them do NOT support your second, fourth, fifth, eighth, and first amendment rights when they are an inconvenience to them.

    My apologies to those truly good men and women who protect and serve. Of course, you already know that I am speaking truth.
    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfflyer View Post
    well the rent a guard is not a police officer, just a security officer, quite a difference there! but glad you had a good encounter anyways!! just incase anyone out here had not heard , calif is now a not legal open carry, unloaded gun state, use to be alright to open carry a UN loaded pistol but as of a few weeks ago, no more!! no biggie i guess, except us loosing another right.but hey this is calif!! we don't got no rights!!! unless your a criminal, illegal mexican or gay.. but a law abiding citizen? no so much anymore!! and getting worse all the time!!
    Are you absolutely SURE this actually passed? It is my understanding it was shot down in committee,never even voted on.... and you can still carry open/unloaded in Kommifornia.......

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    Wish Texas had passed open carry, but in Texas only folks that can ask for ID, LEO ( not a rent cop) / magistrate. If open carry passes I assume it will not be a big issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer826 View Post
    ...They are in their uniform, but I assume they are working in the capacity of private security.
    I would assume this... If he is in a police uniform, he is a police officer. If he is in a security uniform, he is security, but he can make a full arrest being a sworn LEO and more or less "transition" to a police officer (he would just need a phone booth to change in - LOL) when the need arises.

    I have encountered many districts that will allow a company to rent a cop (not "rent-a-cop"), which is where a LEO can take on optional additional duties off-duty or for overtime, whether it is security for a clinic, bank, or public event that requires a visible security presence and the LEO agency is not responsible for maintaining an official presence. The agency benefits by renting officers out, the officer gets overtime, and the company needing security benefits by having a fully sworn LEO instead of just a security guard. Your encounter sounds just like that to me. This is only what I have been exposed to, so that may or may not be the case in your district.

    I don't think I understand something from your posting though... were you carrying concealed or open? You said he saw that you were carrying.

    If it was open carry, he shouldn't have even said anything to you unless he wanted to be conversational, address a legal infraction, or if he enforces some bank policy denying access to the building with a weapon (which he ruled out by stating he didn't know if the bank had a problem with it). You wouldn't have to justify your possession of a firearm to anyone for any reason.

    If it was concealed, then I would understand if he asked you if you had a CCW (the issue of requiring you to produce it is another thing), but stating that he hoped you were a cop was completely inappropriate on his behalf. It does more than imply that he feels you shouldn't be carrying unless you're a cop, which is just wrong, statutorily, and being on the job, wearing his uniform, this is at the minimum misbehavior on duty. He can have his personal opinions off-duty. Also, have you considered that if you were carrying concealed, your firearm should have never been visible and the entire encounter may have never been more than saying "Hi" on the way through the doors, plus the bank tellers should never have known you were carrying from any of your visits? I'm not trying to be argumentative. Everyone making statements is essentially an armchair quarterback/lawyering and presenting consenting or opposing views of what you've stated. I'm saying that hindsight is 20/20 and we can all learn from things like this so we don't do the wrong thing in the future.

    Regardless, I'm glad your encounter went well overall and no one had to be a jerk, and as you said you may very well have to meet this guy again in the future, so you want to be on favorable terms.

    For the others chiming in on this, I'm in Nevada, and you don't need a CCW here to have your weapon in the car, visible or not (OpenCarry.org - A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost!) except in the Las Vegas area, where they enforce laws that can't statutorily exceed the State (the district laws are perpetually under review for repealing to comply with State law). I'm assuming your areas make a big deal about carrying in your car, then putting on when you exit your car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    A little defensive are we? Have a tissue...
    He's just upset that you are on NavyLCDR's list of constitutional trolls. Oh wait, you are the alledged leader.

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    Unwiredmedic,

    I was open carry at the time which is normal for me. The bank has no policy against it and the tellers are extremely supportive of it. According to one of the tellers, the special duty officers usually get their panties in a bunch after I leave and they question the tellers as to whether they know me or not. The tellers tell them to calm down, as the bank would post if they didn't want guns in the building.

    As for some of you other guys, I have NEVER been less than courteous to an LEO. But I know my rights and I will NOT roll over so that you liberals will feel better. I personally believe that a DUI checkpoint in an unreasonable search. I do not drink and would not appreciate being stopped for a check when I have not shown any cause to stop me, but I would not be obtuse to the LEO at the stop. At this point, I have not been stopped for that, but I'll let you know when it happens. And yes, I know the courts have upheld the ability to have checkpoints, so save your breath.

    Anyhow, I am amazed at how easily some of you will exercise your right to carry, but you won't stand up for some of the other rights you have. They are ALL important. All of your rights need to be exercised VIGOROUSLY. Try it. It will keep your spine and my country strong.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by hammer826 View Post
    Anyhow, I am amazed at how easily some of you will exercise your right to carry, but you won't stand up for some of the other rights you have. They are ALL important. All of your rights need to be exercised VIGOROUSLY. Try it. It will keep your spine and my country strong.
    +1000
    Welcome to the indoctrination of America, my friend....it starts in Kindergarten.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  11. I prefer to carry concealed (even though my state is an OC) for several reasons. LEO's will not pick me out of the general population as a potential threat. Bad guys will not pick me out of the patrons of the establishment they are robbing as the first target that could spoil their plans. That allows me to decide when to avoid, evade or engage.

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