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  1. Quote Originally Posted by bobblack72 View Post
    Bad guys will not pick me out of the patrons of the establishment they are robbing as the first target that could spoil their plans. That allows me to decide when to avoid, evade or engage.
    Hi! Welcome to USA Carry! As well as a hearty welcome here, some of us would like to extend to you the challenge that some of us have extended to many, many who have faithfully trod down the same road before you which, so far, has gone unanswered:

    Please provide us with a documented example of Joe Citizen openly carrying a gun that was picked out and shot first during any robbery. While many of us understand this may be a personal reason for your choice of method of carry, and whatever reason you choose is up to you, but some of us like to point out that the "shoot me first" theory is only that - a theory. And that particular theory has never proven to be true in real life.

    Some of us feel that the deterrent value of an openly carried firearm greatly outweighs the "shoot me first" possibility.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwaz View Post
    I fail to understand the fear of showing ID or permit when asked by legitimate authority. We are not as yet in an adversarial relationship with Law Enforcement in this country, are we? Unless you are part of the criminal element, that is...
    It has nothing to do with an adversarial relationship with cops. Look at it this way:

    You have the right to free speech, but only after a government official checks your ID and gives you the OK.

    You have the right to peaceably assemble, but only after a government official checks your ID and gives you the OK.

    You have the right to freely exercise your religion, but only after a government official checks your ID and gives you the OK.

    Starting to get the idea? It's a matter of principle. It should never be a requirement to have your ID checked and get permission to exercise any constitutional right. Otherwise it's no longer a right.
    Posterity: you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it.--- John Quincy Adams
    Condensed Guide To Ohio Concealed Carry Laws

  4. don't need documentation

    I was just giving my reasons for cc. My opinion and nothing more. If you jump on everything someone says that is clearly their own opinion and reasons for what they do, then you will have a very lonely time on this forum...

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bobblack72 View Post
    If you jump on everything someone says that is clearly their own opinion and reasons for what they do, then you will have a very lonely time on this forum...
    Nah.... my "band of trolls" will keep me company! You will notice that I included this in my post: "While many of us understand this may be a personal reason for your choice of method of carry, and whatever reason you choose is up to you"
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Nah.... my "band of trolls" will keep me company!
    Is there a Badge for that group?

  7. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45
    amsgator.... Is it ok in your state for a cop to stop you for breaking NO TRAFFIC LAWS (while driving a vehicle) just to see if you have a drivers license?
    Quote Originally Posted by amsgator View Post
    Just about. If the registered owner's DL is suspended it's PC to stop the vehicle.
    So how does LEO determine a DL is suspended BEFORE he stops the vehicle???

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    Quote Originally Posted by amsgator View Post
    Yea, and more cops get killed than military troops (number serving/number killed). So using this logic I guess it's about time to have a movement to stop supporting our troops and begin supporting our garbage men, fishermen, and farmers. After all, none of the troops EVER break any laws or commit war crimes.
    That is undoubtedly one of the silliest comparisons I have ever seen.

    Saying that one should allow their rights to be violated with no reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime is being committed is akin to starting "a movement to stop supporting our troops" is completely ridiculous.

    I certainly hope you don't include your sheeplike philosophy in any self defense courses you might teach...stick to teaching responsible handling of firearms rather than teaching people they should not insist on their rights being observed.

    As a retired LEO, I find it reprehensible that the irrational fears of some police officers have somehow become accepted reasons for violating the rights of the citizens they are sworn to protect.

  9. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    So how does LEO determine a DL is suspended BEFORE he stops the vehicle???
    He did say "registered owner's DL"...which info one can get by running the license plate and then running the registered owner...all before the stop is made.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by PaxMentis View Post
    He did say "registered owner's DL"...which info one can get by running the license plate and then running the registered owner...all before the stop is made.
    Which provides no evidence that the driver of the vehicle is driving on a suspended driver's license.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaxMentis View Post
    As a retired LEO, I find it reprehensible that the irrational fears of some police officers have somehow become accepted reasons for violating the rights of the citizens they are sworn to protect.
    THANK YOU!
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Please provide us with a documented example of Joe Citizen openly carrying a gun that was picked out and shot first during any robbery. While many of us understand this may be a personal reason for your choice of method of carry, and whatever reason you choose is up to you, but some of us like to point out that the "shoot me first" theory is only that - a theory. And that particular theory has never proven to be true in real life.
    I'm not entirely sure this qualifies as "Joe Citizen", but here goes:

    Hudson, NH: Two armed security guards in armored vehicle were shot as the criminals approached the vehicle. Both were dead on the spot, and then the criminals trained their weapons on the unarmed people at the nearby construction site.

    As I recall, in NH armed security guards do not qualify as LEO, therefore are "Joe Citizen". These guards were certainly shot first simply because the criminals saw they were armed, therefore were the immediate threat.

    Side note: the criminals were eventually apprehended, and admitted to killing the guards simply because they were armed and therefore the threat.

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