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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Austin Miller View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nraynes View Post
    I would have reported it. I would of described the gun better but still of done the same thing. And why is that? It's dark, and late.
    So, by your reasoning, we should only feel free to handle our legal firearms openly during daylight hours. I wasn't aware that gun owners have to obey a curfew. In fact I know we DON'T have a curfew. Hey, why not suggest a new law? Bring it to a vote. And then add that to the other 23,000 federal and local gun laws that are choking the life out of legal gun ownership.

    Quote Originally Posted by nraynes View Post
    Is the front light on? How many lights on in the house? Are they using a flashlight? Looking around before they do anything? Handling the gun like a gun or toy?
    My house is a very large, two-storey home in the historic district of town, with a massive 2200 sqft front porch, and abundant lighting. The gun in question is a 12 gauge pump with a SureFire frontend — which means the shotgun itself IS the flashlight — and that's why we took it outside, to show him the throw of the SureFire torch. We weren't pointing it off the property.

    Look, I know all the rules of safe gun ownership and handling. At no place in the rules does it say, "Only handle the firearm during daylight hours, and avoid letting the public see your firearm."

    No, I don't have to live in fear of other people's ignorance. I'm not living in a cowardly Socialist nation, not yet, and I'm not going to bow and scrape to accommodate the ignorance and fear of others.
    You sound to me to be pissed off at any one who does anything in regard to trying to stop crime from happening.

    Just take a step back and stop seeing your self in that position.

    Two people outside a home. The house is a large ranch style house with a normal amount of lights on at 11pm. It's dark and late at night. You don't know them or the house, one has a tact shotgun and it pointing the flashlight all around the property.
    What are you going to do?

    "oh they are just looking at the new gun"

    A guy walks down the street with a gun in his hand.
    What's your first thought on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nraynes View Post
    one has a tact shotgun and it pointing the flashlight all around the property.
    I never said we were pointing it all around the property. I said we never pointed it off of my property. We were outside for 5 minutes — I said that in my first post.

    Quote Originally Posted by nraynes View Post
    What are you going to do?
    Well, I'm NOT going to jump to the conclusion that somebody is committing a crime or is about to commit a crime because I see him on private property with what appears to be a firearm. I don't think like that. I'm not so fearful and suspicious that I mistrust the American gun owner.

    Quote Originally Posted by nraynes View Post
    A guy walks down the street with a gun in his hand. What's your first thought on that?
    Now you're completely changing the scenario. "A guy walks down the street" does not apply to my situation on private property. A guy walking down the street with a gun in his hand is now on public property. As a member of the public, you can do whatever you want, as he is on YOUR property, the PUBLIC'S property.

    However, you'd better check the lawbooks first, because it may be perfectly legal for a guy to openly carry a firearm in public.

    See, YOU GUYS are trying to turn this into a scenario in which I was wrong to carry a firearm on my own property; and, although most of you will readily admit that you can't identify a firearm at night, even with abundant lighting, you would STILL report a private citizen to the police, even though you have insufficient information upon which to draw your conclusion.

    Simply because you're fearful of not obeying your suspicions. Your behavior has been modified by a climate of fear. I say you've all been brainwashed.
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    the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    but I can honestly say I've never felt the desire to play with my gun and flashlight outside my house at 11:00pm since I was about 7 years old.
    As I mentioned before, I've been properly handling and using firearms my entire life — since I was about six-years-old on the ranch, as a matter of fact — and I have never "played" with a firearm, as you apparently did when you were a child.

    Where do you get the idea that I was "playing" with a firearm? I never implied any such thing. You, however, are attempting to belittle me by inserting phrases such as "play with my gun" into the discussion, attempting to characterize me as careless, when you have no idea what you're talking about.

    There's nothing illegal or "unsafe" or "foolish" about carrying my shotgun outside, on my own property, at any time of the day or night. Too bad if that frightens you, if you think that's careless or reckless behavior. I suggest that you allow your emotions to to supersede your reasoning, or that your reasoning is flawed.
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    the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    But back to the original question if you weren't arrested then it isn't illegal. I have never known a LEO to let someone off on that type of call just because they thought they had a fancy gun. Please rephrase your question into something intelligent so we can answer it without sounding stupid.
    It was my intent to elicit your opinions on perfectly legal activities, and I accomplished that. I see that, in spite of my activity being perfectly safe and perfectly legal (in the state of North Carolina), several gun owners on this site, anyway are leading very suspicious, fear-motivated lives; and they would readily turn in their fellow gun owners based on nothing more than uninformed suspicion.

    This doesn't speak well for our liberties in America.

    Indeed, when gun owners instantly report each other to the police based on nothing more than fear and suspicion, when gun owners immediately run to the government for protection from other gun owners, they're NOT protecting the Liberties of gun owners in America.

    In fact, it makes me wonder how many of you would actually FIGHT for your Liberty if it came down to it. When the troops show up at your doors to confiscate your firearms, it sounds as though you'd hand over your guns and give up your Liberty without so much as a whimper.

    And that's sick and sad.
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    the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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    In the neighborhood I live in everyone on my cul-de-sac are NRA members and the local officers that patrol have stopped and discussed firearms and hunting on a regular basis, I usuall sit on my front porch and clean my guns if the weather is good. No problem.

  7. I think you just came here and posted your story looking for company in bashing the person who called the cops on you and bashing the cops for investigating. Unfortunately, for you, most of us here feel that two guys outside a residence at 11:00pm with a gun and a flashlight just plain warrants and justifies reasonable and articulable suspicion that a crime may be about to occur.

    Personally, I would thank a neighbor who called the cops at 11:00pm about two guys with a gun outside my house, even if one of the guys was me, because that shows they care about me and my house and are watching out for me.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Charles Austin Miller View Post
    See, YOU GUYS are trying to turn this into a scenario in which I was wrong to carry a firearm on my own property; and, although most of you will readily admit that you can't identify a firearm at night, even with abundant lighting, you would STILL report a private citizen to the police, even though you have insufficient information upon which to draw your conclusion.
    I promised that I would not respond again but I feel compelled. YOU were not violating any laws. You were handling an unloaded gun, in a safe manner, on your own property. You were well within your rights. However you did place yourself in suspicious circumstances.

    I am going to ask you to approach this scenario as a journalist an area in which you have considerable training and experience. Place yourself in the position of an innocent (without prior knowledge) bystander the following facts should be apparent:

    1. Two men are on private property in the historic residential district.

    2. They have a gun or something that resembles a gun.

    3. It is 11PM an hour when many people are inside their homes.

    There are several uncertainties, uncertainties which cannot be known by a bystander without previous knowledge.

    1. What are the identities of the men?

    2. Who is the owner or ocupant of the house/property?

    3. Why are the two men there?

    4. What is their intention?

    You could attempt to determine these answers themselves by approaching and asking those questions yourself. But then there is the fact that you have two men armed with a shotgun, with unknown intentions. How will they react to your intrusion? Are you willing to bet your life on their innocent intentions?

    I suppose you might attempt to get more information through observation and listening to the men's conversation. How would you do so without placing yourself in further danger? Remember, they are armed and it is unknown how they would respond to potential witnesses. What would happen if, intent on robbery or murder they were to discover your presence? What if you were carrying a weapon yourself? Would that change your conduct in any way?

    If only there were people employed for the purpose of investigating uncertainties of the sort discussed above, people with the capability of dealing with armed men with hostile intentions but the training to hold back should the occasion prove innocent? You could call them and allow them to intervene and determine the truth.

    Perhaps you are willing to presume that the intentions of two unknown men pointing a gun at an unknown, and possibly, occupied house in the historic district in the middle of the night have the most honorable of intentions. Many of us here are not willing to do so and would call the police to determine what was going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    I think you just came here and posted your story looking for company in bashing the person who called the cops on you and bashing the cops for investigating.
    If I came here "looking for company," then I can assure you what I've found is not the sort of company I want.

    Frankly, I know enough about the person that reported me to know he or she wasn't a neighbor, but definitely was motivated by fear and suspicion. I know it was the sort of individual who runs to the police without knowing all or any of the facts.

    I don't need to "bash" a person like that, because such an individual is always going to be a victim to his own fear.

    As for the police, I have never "bashed" them for doing their jobs. I know all of the LEOs in my town and in the county, and they know me, and I have far more respect for them than I have for fearful, suspicious tattle-tales who trust the government more than their fellow gun owners.

    Just sayin'
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    the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Mustang View Post
    Many of us here are not willing to do so and would call the police to determine what was going on.
    Then you're more than welcomed to enjoy your police state. I, for one, do not enjoy it. More than that, I do not enjoy the mistrust that is apparent here among gun owners, such that they assail one another based on little or no information.
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
    the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    TOXIC REIGN: Reclaim Our Future

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Charles Austin Miller View Post
    Then you're more than welcomed to enjoy your police state. I, for one, do not enjoy it. More than that, I do not enjoy the mistrust that is apparent here among gun owners, such that they assail one another based on little or no information.
    Sir, with respect a state which investigates potential endangerment of life, liberty or property with just and probable cause, determines the righteousness of the individual under investigation without undue imposition on the reputation, life, liberty or property of said individual is a far cry from a police state. What I have described (and advocated) is a Night Watchmen State a minarchist concept which fully supports both rule of law and individual rights.

    I would like a question answered: In a free society what is the proper role of a police force? Should there even be one? Your arguments appear to advocate anarchy. In such a case, let us say that there is no police force. You are out on your front lawn at 11PM with a friend examining a shotgun pointing it at your house . Three armed men (private citizens) happen to pass by and earnestly believe that you might be attempting to rob or murder the occupant of the house which they do not know to be yours. Because sometimes people who point shotguns at houses do not have the best of intentions for those inside.

    These men (still private citizens) hold you at gunpoint, determine your right to be on the property in question then go on their merry way and leave you in peace with the advice that you may not want to exercise your rights in such a manner as to put yourself in a position where others may presume bad intent. Would that course of action be justified?

    How would you respond to three private citizens holding you at gunpoint on your own property whose only intent is to prevent your being robbed or murdered? I hope you can see how this scenario could get several innocent people with good intentions killed.

    Only in a world where there are no persons with bad intent, a world where every person pointing a shotgun at a house has no thoughts of robbery or murder could a person of conscience pass by with no concerns for the occupants of the target house. I presume you understand that we do not live in such a world or you would not have purchased the shotgun in the first place.
    "Get this through your head! We're not fighting to have everybody think the way we do, we're fighting so that people can think whatever they want! Even if they don't agree with us!"--Stalker, GI JOE #39

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