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View Poll Results: If both OC and CC is/were an option, which of the following best applies to you:

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  • OC all the time.

    6 4.92%
  • OC most of the time but CC on occasion.

    18 14.75%
  • CC all the time.

    44 36.07%
  • CC most of the time but OC on occasion

    54 44.26%
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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    I believe Navy LCDR already answered it for me, and very well I might add.
    Sorry Al, but I've been skipping over his posts for quite some time now. Are you afraid to answer the question yourself?? Remember.....you said "There are times when I prefer to conceal. Usually when I don't feel 100%, and there fore don't think I'll be as alert as I should be when I OC."

    Why do you need to be more alert when OCing as opposed to CCing?? Do you find that OCing has an added element of danger that CCing doesn't?? If you could please clarify this for me otherwise I'll have to believe that you've put your foot in your mouth and betrayed your true feelings.

    Eagerly awaiting your answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    Whether you OC or CC, doesn't matter to me. Don't try to tell me my choice is wrong, and I won't do the same to you.
    I've never told you or any OCer that their choice is wrong for them.....only wrong for me. You and your ilk can hardly say the same.

    Still waiting for you to explain your statement where you said you need to be more alert for OC than for CC.
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  4. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Sorry Al, but I've been skipping over his posts for quite some time now. Are you afraid to answer the question yourself?? Remember.....you said "There are times when I prefer to conceal. Usually when I don't feel 100%, and there fore don't think I'll be as alert as I should be when I OC."

    Why do you need to be more alert when OCing as opposed to CCing?? Do you find that OCing has an added element of danger that CCing doesn't?? If you could please clarify this for me otherwise I'll have to believe that you've put your foot in your mouth and betrayed your true feelings.

    Eagerly awaiting your answer.
    As NavyLCDR already explained, "Because the reality is when open carrying one must remain alert for the anti-gun cop, or the CC only raver who is going to wet themselves at the opportunity to hassle a law abiding citizen."

    I'll also just add, it's only prudent to be more alert when OCing, as opposed to CCing. Some might say you should be alert at all times. There are places, where that's necessary, regardless of your method of carry, and there are places where you don't really need to be all that alert. You should know yourself, where and when you are in either area.

    No, I do not OC 100% of the time. I have relatives who are as rabidly anti-gun as Sarah Brady. If I visit their house, I conceal. There are other situations, but I'm sure everyone has their own situations where concealing is preferable to OCing. It generally has more to do with not upsetting the hoplophobes, than anything else.
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  5. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    I've never told you or any OCer that their choice is wrong for them.....only wrong for me. You and your ilk can hardly say the same.

    Still waiting for you to explain your statement where you said you need to be more alert for OC than for CC.
    When did I ever say YOU must OC? So far as I recall, I've only responded to the myths people use to try to convince me and "others of my ilk" (what is an "ilk" anyway?) that OCing is too dangerous, or provocative, or whatever. I don't go into the CC forum and start picking at those that CC, cause I CC on occasion myself. In fact, I started out CCing when I first my my CPL.

    And, in the Winter time, I generally CC, since my coat usually covers my weapon, until I get to where I'm going. And I don't like to use thigh holsters.

    If you think I'm trying to convince YOU that you should OC, you're reading stuff between the lines that I didn't put there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    As NavyLCDR already explained, "Because the reality is when open carrying one must remain alert for the anti-gun cop, or the CC only raver who is going to wet themselves at the opportunity to hassle a law abiding citizen."

    I'll also just add, it's only prudent to be more alert when OCing, as opposed to CCing. Some might say you should be alert at all times. There are places, where that's necessary, regardless of your method of carry, and there are places where you don't really need to be all that alert. You should know yourself, where and when you are in either area.

    No, I do not OC 100% of the time. I have relatives who are as rabidly anti-gun as Sarah Brady. If I visit their house, I conceal. There are other situations, but I'm sure everyone has their own situations where concealing is preferable to OCing. It generally has more to do with not upsetting the hoplophobes, than anything else.
    Weak, Al. Weak, weak, weak.

    "Alert for the anti-gun cop or the CC only raver"??? Why, do they carry signs saying that they're anti-gun or anti-OC, thereby allowing you to quickly cover your pistol before they can harass you?? No, they don't....so there's no way for you to know the difference between those who care and those who don't.

    In the "10 Reasons For Open Carry" thread you said:
    "I've OCed since about 2009, 99.5% of the time, NO ONE notices my gun. Which is sort of hard to figure, since I generally carry a full size semi-Auto pistol, like this one.

    In the 3 or so years I've been OCing, I've only been "hassled" one time, by a greeter at Meijer's, whom I have passed many times before while OCing, and he finally noticed my gun that day. :)"


    Is that why you need to be more alert while OCing....store greeters?? Do you get up in the morning and say "I don't feel too well....I better CC today 'casue the old guy at Walmart might challenge me"?? Is that what you're talking about when you speak of a need to be more alert when OCing???

    Somehow I don't think so. You're "Yeah yeah that's it...that's the ticket....that's what I meant" response is a bit feeble to say the least. Not sure why you're so afraid to "come out of the closet" and just admit to what so many other realize - that sometimes OCing is more dangerous than CCing and that appropriate steps should be taken in such instances. Admit it, Al. After all....you pretty much already have with your "not 100% statement".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    And, in the Winter time, I generally CC, since my coat usually covers my weapon, until I get to where I'm going. And I don't like to use thigh holsters.
    Ohhhhhh....so now you CC even more than you let on to earlier! Why would you give up all of your so-called advantages just because the weather is cold?? Lots of cold weather in Michigan, huh? During the winter do the BGs rob people and places by saying something like "I have a gun under my coat and if you don't give me all your money I'm going to unbutton it and take my pistol out"?? Is that what they do? BGs don't hibernate, do they Al? I'm sure you can buy a belt long enough go around the outside of your jacket, thereby allowing you to attach a holster and still OC no matter what the weather. Heck, there are plenty of winter jackets that already have an exterior belt built-in! Why not use one of those instead of spending months having to give up all the advantages of OCing??

    You're going around in circles, Al.....contradicting yourself and making rather dubious statements.
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  8. #77
    Here in Mi. we have the option either way. I choose to CC 100%. Until the average citizen can accept OC & not point & stare or freak out, I'll continue to CC.Wish things were different, but for now I just don't feel the need to OC. Maybe I'm blind to it, but I'm out & about alot, & I've only seen 2 OCer's. Both of them looked like gangsta's. Badly dressed, unkept,etc. If that's the image most folks see, no wonder there's such a paranoid response to OC. Not saying all OCer's are like that.

  9. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Weak, Al. Weak, weak, weak.

    "Alert for the anti-gun cop or the CC only raver"??? Why, do they carry signs saying that they're anti-gun or anti-OC, thereby allowing you to quickly cover your pistol before they can harass you?? No, they don't....so there's no way for you to know the difference between those who care and those who don't.

    In the "10 Reasons For Open Carry" thread you said:
    "I've OCed since about 2009, 99.5% of the time, NO ONE notices my gun. Which is sort of hard to figure, since I generally carry a full size semi-Auto pistol, like this one.

    In the 3 or so years I've been OCing, I've only been "hassled" one time, by a greeter at Meijer's, whom I have passed many times before while OCing, and he finally noticed my gun that day. :)"


    Is that why you need to be more alert while OCing....store greeters?? Do you get up in the morning and say "I don't feel too well....I better CC today 'casue the old guy at Walmart might challenge me"?? Is that what you're talking about when you speak of a need to be more alert when OCing???

    Somehow I don't think so. You're "Yeah yeah that's it...that's the ticket....that's what I meant" response is a bit feeble to say the least. Not sure why you're so afraid to "come out of the closet" and just admit to what so many other realize - that sometimes OCing is more dangerous than CCing and that appropriate steps should be taken in such instances. Admit it, Al. After all....you pretty much already have with your "not 100% statement".
    To quote Han Solo "[BAM] Boring conversation anyway."
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Ohhhhhh....so now you CC even more than you let on to earlier! Why would you give up all of your so-called advantages just because the weather is cold?? Lots of cold weather in Michigan, huh? During the winter do the BGs rob people and places by saying something like "I have a gun under my coat and if you don't give me all your money I'm going to unbutton it and take my pistol out"?? Is that what they do? BGs don't hibernate, do they Al? I'm sure you can buy a belt long enough go around the outside of your jacket, thereby allowing you to attach a holster and still OC no matter what the weather. Heck, there are plenty of winter jackets that already have an exterior belt built-in! Why not use one of those instead of spending months having to give up all the advantages of OCing??

    You're going around in circles, Al.....contradicting yourself and making rather dubious statements.
    Here's the deal, but of course B2Tall won't see this... we just don't center our lives around our guns. We don't look at a shirt on the rack and wonder if it will conceal our gun enough or not. We don't check in a mirror or window we walk by to check if we are printing. We don't buy pants one size too big to account for our IWB holsters.

    When I go out, I simply put my cell phone in one pocket, slide my paddle holster over my belt on the other side and go out the door. If it's winter time, and I wear a winter coat, the gun simply gets covered up. We aren't, and never have, said that the deterrent affect of the openly carried firearm cures everything. I have, however, seen many CC only people say that the "element of surprise" is THE gospel of self defense, and no matter what never give up the "element of surprise" unless a cop happens to approach them and those same people seem to be the same crowd that rolls over and shoves their ID cards and CPLs into a cops had while proclaiming to them exactly where their gun is.

    That's another area of my life where the gun just doesn't matter. In my state, I am not legally obligated to tell police about my gun, and I simply don't feel the need to change anything because of my gun in that area either.

    To most of us, open carry is just a normal thing that happens, just like putting the cell phone or car keys in the pocket. The only thing we insist upon in these discussions is that we prefer to present facts based upon research, evidence and examples that the majority of criminals are simply not going to bother with the citizen they KNOW is armed. The majority of criminals are going to move on. And that's our goal, to allow our guns to be a normal part of our lives and take advantage of the fact that the presence of the gun is likely to cause the criminal to just leave us alone.

    It really is humorous - the guys who feel the need to hide their guns the most are the ones making the biggest deal out of the presence of their guns!
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    why does it matther if you want to oc or you want to cc? i oc and i have no issue with those who chose to cc. it doesn't matter how you carry a gun as long as you have a gun on you.

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