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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    NavyLCDR, so you have no problem with crazies and loons having the ability to keep and bear arms? Just asking.
    I am not exactly sure what prompted the question...but I will answer it anyway. I have a problem with the government specifying who is "safe" enough to walk the public streets, alone and unescorted - that isn't "safe" enough to keep and bear arms. If the person is such a "danger to society" then don't turn them loose in public and hope that they will obey a law that says they can't have a gun.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Not trying to be belligerent but your earlier post stated "That's exactly what states like Oklahoma and Texas are doing - taxing the right to keep and bear arms. OC v. CC has nothing to do with that." I took that to mean that the States are assessing a tax against a right already given by the Constitution. No harm meant by my question, just wanted to know if you believe the States have a responsibility to cull out certain individuals that should not have the right. The tax you mention is usually meant to support services for licensing the citizen,usually.
    "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

  4. In states such as Texas and Oklahoma, a person who wishes to carry a handgun for self defense in normal everyday life must pay the state government for permission to do so. Without paying the state government for their permission, it is illegal, in most of normal everyday life, to carry a handgun for self protection in public in those states. Justify it however you want to, they are taxing a right that is guaranteed by the Constitution. BTW, the Constitution does not grant rights. The Constitution grants authority to the government, and the bill of rights limits government's infringement upon rights which already existed prior to the Constitution.

    The Declaration of Independence states that citizens have rights which exist before and outside of government, and when government infringes upon those rights to a grievous extent, it is the duty of the citizen to overthrow that government, using force if necessary. That is the actual reason the 2nd Amendment exists. The 2nd Amendment begins with the words, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" The 2nd Amendment is not about the individual's protection against criminals. The 2nd Amendment is about the ability of the citizen to take necessary actions to keep their state "free".
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    NavyLCDR, so you have no problem with crazies and loons having the ability to keep and bear arms? Just asking.

    Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Just asking.
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Thanks for the dissertation CMDR, I've better insight now. Leave it to a Naval "O" to perform above and beyond. Still not sure if you agree that a vetting process of the State is OK with you.

    TREO I'm on my third wife. Got tired of the first two beating up on me. Just ain't the way it's supposed to be. You walk together as a couple or not. Abuse is not part of the vows or commitment. Hang in there, keep showing up and keep it simple. One day at a time!
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    Just wanted to jump in here real quick since I live in Oklahoma. It may be a form of tax by being a "shall issue" state, meaning anyone who is of proper age and applies, shall be issued a license after passing a back groud check. The fee in Oklahoma is 100.00 for 5 years, and you have to pay 25.00 to the county sheriff to do fingerprints. The 100.00 fee is the to the OSBI to pay for the licensing division and the time it takes to do a background check. Fee or tax as it is, I paid my portion so I could carry legally. Do I think there should be training before issuing someone a license to carry? Yes I do, but how that applies I am not sure about. I saw folks in my class that had no idea of how to handle a gun, and this is not taught in the conceal carry class. You are already supposed to know how to do that. Growing up around guns I was fortunate that my father taught me safe handling. Also, since my birthday falls where it is, I was required to take a hunters safety course. I would benefit from further training. I hope that anyone that takes the class and is issued a license will take it further and train with that weapon, both in safety, and marksmanship. My range rents and sells guns, and with any gun purchase you get a free class for conceal carry, or general safety.

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    Living in Texas in order to carry a gun I am either a LEO or BG, and since I am neither I chose to pay the fee. Have and continue to work to make Texas an open carry, unabridged 2nd amendment state.

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    Just curious, what do the classes for the OK CCW run?
    Also, what do the CCW in Texas cost?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    Thanks for the dissertation CMDR, I've better insight now. Leave it to a Naval "O" to perform above and beyond. Still not sure if you agree that a vetting process of the State is OK with you.
    Thank you! No, a vetting process by a state of who may possess and carry a firearm and who may not is NOT OK with me. Here's a novel idea... let's make performing a criminal action with a gun a crime. Heck, let's even have sentencing enhancements if a firearm is used in the commission of a violent crime. But, let's punish criminal actions and not regulate the possession and carrying of an object, especially when the possession and carrying of that object just happens to be a right that is supposed to be protected across the board, in all states, by the US Constitution just as much as the right to free speech, the right to freedom of religion and the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures are.

    Here's another idea: let's actually punish criminals instead of comfortably housing them in state and Federal hotels. Make them live under the same conditions that many of our Sailors, Soldeirs, Marines and Airmen do.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Concur on conditions for those incarcerated, Stated and Federal should be minimalist housing with a bare minimum of subsidence for consumption of calories. MRE's would suffice but way to many calories.

    As for a vetting process, I do strongly believe that until adjudicated by a State or Federal judicial system. The State should not restrict/deny any one's ability to purchase or bare arms.

    Thanks for your continued service!
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