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    Quote Originally Posted by ishi View Post
    JM40 I agree with your main points 100%, and very good ones they are too. But since I'm a nitpicker I'm going to pick a nit.

    I figure that cops don't bother to CC because everybody knows they're armed anyway, so it doesn't give them any tactical advantage, whereas the quick draw of an OC holster gives a very nice advantage.
    I'd like to get in on the nitpicking game as well.:D

    Actually, I'd like to think that OWB for concealed carry is a quicker draw than OWB for open carry because there are no retention devices to mess with; I simply reach under my shirt and draw. Obviously this is not the case for SmartCarry or Thunderwear, but retention devices slow down a draw more than does a shirt hanging over a holster with no retention devices. Also, with concealed carry, I do not have to worry whether someone is going to try to grab for my gun (even if I am situationally aware of my surroundings, my gun won't be too useful to me if someone is grabbing for it). Concealed carry in an OWB holster without a pesky retention device eliminates all these disadvantages. Finally, even though OC can be used as a tool to educate, I don't carry for that reason; I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from those who would do us harm.

    Also, CC is just simply a matter of personal preference for me. I prefer for people not to know that I'm armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    Open Carry has a deterrent effect. Concealed does not. Sometimes I OC, sometimes I CC to avoid OC hassles.
    Open Carry is often an activist's tool. Sometimes I OC to make the point that I can OC.

    Actually, CC has a deterrent effect as well, probably more so than open carry. Consider this scenario.

    If everyone who owns a gun only carried openly (no concealed carry of any kind), then criminals would simply go after those who are not carrying. The deterrent of which you speak only applies to the person carrying the weapon. Suppose, however, that with the advent of concealed carry, the bad guys all of a sudden do not know who is carrying. If only one person out of a group of 30 people is carrying, everyone is protected because the criminals do not know who is or is not carrying. A bulge created by a person's cell phone or pager could be mistaken for a gun. In this case the mere possibility that someone is armed serves as a deterrent for everyone, not just those for whom it is obvious (open carriers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    Actually, CC has a deterrent effect as well, probably more so than open carry. Consider this scenario.

    If everyone who owns a gun only carried openly (no concealed carry of any kind), then criminals would simply go after those who are not carrying. The deterrent of which you speak only applies to the person carrying the weapon. Suppose, however, that with the advent of concealed carry, the bad guys all of a sudden do not know who is carrying. If only one person out of a group of 30 people is carrying, everyone is protected because the criminals do not know who is or is not carrying. A bulge created by a person's cell phone or pager could be mistaken for a gun. In this case the mere possibility that someone is armed serves as a deterrent for everyone, not just those for whom it is obvious (open carriers).

    Seeing someone with a gun on might deter a small minortiy but for someone bent on killing a bunch of innocent people it will just change his plan of attack.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    Actually, CC has a deterrent effect as well, probably more so than open carry. Consider this scenario......
    OR what if ya'll got off your high horses about which is better and considered that what if half of us were carrying openly and the other half concealed, then the BGs would have NO clue what so ever!! You can make up scenerios all stinkin' day, and guess what? They are ALL RIGHT. Of course, they're all wrong, too, because everything isn't always going to happen the way you want it to...

    Why doesn't someone make a big chart with the Pros and Cons of each, and see which one comes out "ahead". I'd be willing to bet that they both have more pros than cons, and they both come out right about even. Oh, and this chart probably shouldn't include things like "what if pink elephants escape from a flying zoo...", k?

    Actually, I'd like to think that OWB for concealed carry is a quicker draw than OWB for open carry because there are no retention devices to mess with......
    What retention device? A lot of people open carry with an open top holster w/o a thumb strap or the like. In fact I've done so in the past, with out incident. It DID require that I be very aware of my surroundings, but umm I always am, especially when I'm carrying.

    I do think that generally, someone carrying openly should have some sort of retention, but who says it slows down the draw? It has been PROVEN that one can draw at the SAME SPEED with and without a retention device. The speed of your draw depends on the equipment you use, and how much you practice. Some retention devices do slow your draw, but not all. Ever used a Serpa CQB holster? How about Safariland's ALS? These holsters offer rentention while allowing a smooth natural draw. With a little practice, there's no difference between the speed of that draw, and the draw with a retentionless holster.

    Now I could start making up scenerios about how your shirt could catch on the hammer, your hand could get caught up in your jacket and you could drop the weapon, or a pink elephant could slip his trunk up under your clothing and steal your concealed weapon, but that's not the point. You see, you brought up a good point about concealed carry, but tried to turn it into a negative about open carry...

    Stop the madness people. Carrying is carrying, period. Open and concealed are options, not opposites..
    Last edited by JM40.Cal; 10-10-2007 at 01:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JM40.Cal View Post
    OR what if ya'll got off your high horses about which is better and considered that what if half of us were carrying openly and the other half concealed, then the BGs would have NO clue what so ever!! You can make up scenerios all stinkin' day, and guess what? They are ALL RIGHT. Of course, they're all wrong, too, because everything isn't always going to happen the way you want it to...

    Why doesn't someone make a big chart with the Pros and Cons of each, and see which one comes out "ahead". I'd be willing to bet that they both have more pros than cons, and they both come out right about even. Oh, and this chart probably shouldn't include things like "what if pink elephants escape from a flying zoo...", k?



    What retention device? A lot of people open carry with an open top holster w/o a thumb strap or the like. In fact I've done so in the past, with out incident. It DID require that I be very aware of my surroundings, but umm I always am, especially when I'm carrying.

    I do think that generally, someone carrying openly should have some sort of retention, but who says it slows down the draw? It has been PROVEN that one can draw at the SAME SPEED with and without a retention device. The speed of your draw depends on the equipment you use, and how much you practice. Some retention devices do slow your draw, but not all. Ever used a Serpa CQB holster? How about Safariland's ALS? These holsters offer rentention while allowing a smooth natural draw. With a little practice, there's no difference between the speed of that draw, and the draw with a retentionless holster.

    Now I could start making up scenerios about how your shirt could catch on the hammer, your hand could get caught up in your jacket and you could drop the weapon, or a pink elephant could slip his trunk up under your clothing and steal your concealed weapon, but that's not the point. You see, you brought up a good point about concealed carry, but tried to turn it into a negative about open carry...

    Stop the madness people. Carrying is carrying, period. Open and concealed are options, not opposites..
    Without trying to turn this thread into why one method of carry is better than another, exactly where in my post did I say anything negative about people who open carry? If anything all I did was say why open carry is not for me, not why others should or should not do it, that's all. What I wrote is not much different from others on this thread who have explained why they prefer CC over OC.

    Let me make myself clear and say that while I prefer CC over OC, I am not against OC by any means. That doesn't mean, however, that I am going to refrain from speaking my mind about why I prefer one over the other. I have never intended for anything I say to be taken as a lecture on why people should do what I do. I just refuse to let the opinions of the gunophobes (is this even a real word?) or those who feel differently about the pros and cons of different methods of carry sway my personal feelings on the matter. At the end of the day I am pro 2A, pro choice (not about abortion, but about which way someone chooses to carry their weapon), and I favor CC over OC. Ok?

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    Cool the final word.....!!

    to paraphrase president washington{ i believe** the main thing is to be armed. open or concealed know what the h---- you are doing

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    I'd like to conceal an AK in my SmartCarry. Trying different options, pics to follow...


    :o

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishi View Post
    I'd like to conceal an AK in my SmartCarry. Trying different options, pics to follow...


    :o

    I remember something on the web about a year ago this guy had several guns including a rifle and or shot gun under his coat. amazing all the weapons he had hid. Pretty funny.

  10. I just refuse to let the opinions of the gunophobes (is this even a real word?)...
    Actually the word is hoplophobes :-) Hoplo being from the Greek Hoplon, meaning weapon. It's not in the dictionary (yet), but it has become the standard term to describe those with an irrational fear of weapons, or more specifically, guns.

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    Hey, I am just glad you all are carrying. I don't care how you do it. Do what makes you comfortable and don't worry about with others think. :D
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