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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    To be clear the OP didn't make it clear that he was in uniform or clearly identifiable as a cop when he approached the guy, that came later.

    I go on guard when approached by a cop because I don't know why he is approaching me when I find out what his reasoning is I adjust my posture
    If I'm not doing anything illegal/wrong then I have no reason to be on guard at the sight of a LEO. If the SHTF I'd be the first person wanting a LEO to be around. Translation=Good Guy. I see a cop, I'm of the frame of mind that I'm seeing a friendly. Now if he/she gives me a reason to think otherwise, I'll switch. You see confrontation first, good guy second. I could understand that if you were approached by a gangsta painted from head to toe in prison tats, but a cop is a good guy first until proven otherwise.

    Now some might think me foolish and naive, and they could be right. I dunno. I don't go on alert when a black guy walks into the room either. I guess I'm destined to be a victim.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed​ lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    When a cop interacts with us he does a quick ... bad guy or good guy or arsehole good guy... assessment and adjusts his attitude/actions accordingly. It would be wise for us to do the same when we interact with a cop.

    To do otherwise, for both cops and us, is foolish.
    I try to use that philosophy everywhere I go, no matter who I meet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddhaKat View Post
    If I'm not doing anything illegal/wrong then I have no reason to be on guard at the sight of a LEO. If the SHTF I'd be the first person wanting a LEO to be around. Translation=Good Guy. I see a cop, I'm of the frame of mind that I'm seeing a friendly. Now if he/she gives me a reason to think otherwise, I'll switch. You see confrontation first, good guy second. I could understand that if you were approached by a gangsta painted from head to toe in prison tats, but a cop is a good guy first until proven otherwise.

    Now some might think me foolish and naive, and they could be right. I dunno. I don't go on alert when a black guy walks into the room either. I guess I'm destined to be a victim.
    When a cop approaches some one open carrying it's generally not just to shoot the breeze. It's usually in conjunction with a MWAG gun call. That alone should be enough to get your guard up.

    I think this is one of those things that you either do get or don't get and if you don't nothing but a bad experience with a cop is going to change your mind.
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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  5. Good gracious is this USA Carry not English class. I don't pay too much attention to grammar mistakes when I post because I am usually posting and moving on. I never had this much of an issue. Again this is a forum mainly about the art of carry firearms and not English class.

    I am not a fan of cops busting on honest citizens carrying firearms and yes one would originally take the offensive but, the guy sounds like he was generally sincere. There are good LEO's that support our right to carry like the group of sheriffs that said they would not enforce some of these new laws so, cut the guy a break.

    Remember we donít want people to judge our actions or our right to keep and bear arms because of the actions of the people who misuse them. The same can be said about good cop and bad cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wcd View Post
    keeping it Brief aplologies for missspellings etc my lap top is old yet still functions for the most part, however some times it will miss a letter because I dont hit the key hard enough. But Enough of that. My whole intent of the post was that it was a positive experience. I was in plain clothes but it would not take a rocket scientist to know that I was leo. The car with the lights and Badge makes it hard to hide it. I had a very pleasant 15 minute conversation with him after he introduced him self. Again I was very friendly and nonjudgmental. I for one and just my opinion do not care how some one carries as long as it is done legally. There are advantages to both methods and they I wont get into that. Again I just wanted to comment on how sad it is that law abiding armed citizens are on the offence
    I long for the day that the majority of officers think like you. Thanks for sharing. You brought tears to my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironmike86 View Post
    This thread had potential of being interesting..??? But its more of a grammar lesson.JMO
    Me thinks you are correct. :p

    WCD...

    I've had a few conversations with people about my side arm. All good so far and very cordial. Most here in KY are very friendly and pro gun so that helps.
    If it doesn't fit, FORCE it! If it breaks then it needed to be replaced anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    When a cop approaches some one open carrying it's generally not just to shoot the breeze. It's usually in conjunction with a MWAG gun call. That alone should be enough to get your guard up.

    I think this is one of those things that you either do get or don't get and if you don't nothing but a bad experience with a cop is going to change your mind.
    I guess I'm fortunate to live in an area where our cops support our right to carry. If 911 got a MWAG call, the operator would likely let the caller know there's no law prohibiting carrying in NV. Is he brandishing the weapon? Holding anyone up? Appear drunk or on drugs? Not doing anything other than shopping? Not breaking the law. In the event someone did respond, I still wouldn't go on guard. What the hell would I do, puff out my chest? I'll tell ya what I'd do, I'd comply with everything the cop asked me to do, without hesitation, without argument. To do ANYTHING other than that would simply guarantee getting arrested. Should I be a smart ass? Try to tell the cop what the law is? Just exactly what good would that do?

    Here's what I would think though. The cop is responding to a call. That's what they're supposed to do. I'm not breaking the law. That's what I'm supposed to do. Since I'm not breaking the law I have nothing to fear from someone wanting to enforce the law. Thus, we meet as friends. Furthermore, I think it's the cops duty to protect my right to lawfully carry a gun. He's not there to harass me, he's there to protect me too, after all, I'm one of the good guys.

    So what happens if I encounter a bad cop? I'd comply with everything the cop asked me to do, without hesitation, without argument. To do ANYTHING other than that would simply guarantee getting arrested. If the cop violated my rights, I'd take it up with his department. After all, our cops are overwhelmingly good cops. And the next cop I met on the street whilst I have my 45 strapped to my side, well I'm going to start off assuming he, or she, is a good guy.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed​ lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddhaKat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    When a cop approaches some one open carrying it's generally not just to shoot the breeze. It's usually in conjunction with a MWAG gun call. That alone should be enough to get your guard up.

    I think this is one of those things that you either do get or don't get and if you don't nothing but a bad experience with a cop is going to change your mind.
    I guess I'm fortunate to live in an area where our cops support our right to carry. If 911 got a MWAG call, the operator would likely let the caller know there's no law prohibiting carrying in NV. Is he brandishing the weapon? Holding anyone up? Appear drunk or on drugs? Not doing anything other than shopping? Not breaking the law. In the event someone did respond, I still wouldn't go on guard. What the hell would I do, puff out my chest? I'll tell ya what I'd do, I'd comply with everything the cop asked me to do, without hesitation, without argument. To do ANYTHING other than that would simply guarantee getting arrested. Should I be a smart ass? Try to tell the cop what the law is? Just exactly what good would that do?

    Here's what I would think though. The cop is responding to a call. That's what they're supposed to do. I'm not breaking the law. That's what I'm supposed to do. Since I'm not breaking the law I have nothing to fear from someone wanting to enforce the law. Thus, we meet as friends. Furthermore, I think it's the cops duty to protect my right to lawfully carry a gun. He's not there to harass me, he's there to protect me too, after all, I'm one of the good guys.

    So what happens if I encounter a bad cop? I'd comply with everything the cop asked me to do, without hesitation, without argument. To do ANYTHING other than that would simply guarantee getting arrested. If the cop violated my rights, I'd take it up with his department. After all, our cops are overwhelmingly good cops. And the next cop I met on the street whilst I have my 45 strapped to my side, well I'm going to start off assuming he, or she, is a good guy.
    I agree with most of what you said however I have met more than one officer that honestly doesn't know the law. In that case, I see no issue with politely and cordial educating him as to what the law is, especially if you can cite certain statutes. Now if he still doesn't believe you, he's probably a bad cop and there's not much you can do. If you argue, you go to jail. If you don't argue you still might go to jail (albeit shortly.) Unfortunately qualified immunity protects cops against false arrest suits if they acted in good faith, and I see more and more departments accepting ignorance of the law and even downright stupidity as cutting it for "good faith." Unless you can prove the officer acted with malice there's not much you can do.

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    Maybe instead of “defensive” I should have said “cautious”.

    When I interact with a cop I follow these simple rules every time

    1. If you are pulled over by a cop, unless you are legally required to do so or you know (I.E. you are about to get patted down he's going to find your weapon do not inform the cop that you are armed (this assumes you are, of course, legally armed)
    2. Make the cop tell you why he pulled you over (I.E. Do you know why I pulled you over tonight Mr. Potential detainee? “No Officer I haven’t a clue please tell me.
    3. When he tells you why he pulled you over do not argue (I.E. Ok officer I’ll take my ticket now”) you can fight it in court later.
    4. Never ever, ever, ever consent to a search. Ever if they tell you they’ll get a warrant tell them to go for it.
    5. Under no circumstances answer questions or make a statement of any kind without your lawyer present.
    6. A traffic stop’s a given, they pull you over your not free to go other than that as soon as they contact you ask. If they say you are free to go, go if they say you’re not ask for your lawyer and shut up.
    7. Never make small talk with a cop (I.E. ‘where are you coming from tonight Mr. Potential detainee?’ “From conducting my lawful private business officer, am I free to go?”). Cops don’t make small talk.

    If you’re just walking down the street and a cop stops you, you should immediately ascertain whether or not you’re free to leave. The easiest way to do this is simply ask the cop “Officer am I free to go?” If he says you are do it.

    Cops don’t just stop random people on the street to make conversation, if he stopped you there’s a reason and the worst thing you can do is engage him in conversation because the longer you talk the more likely you are to say something he can use against you. So, it goes like this

    Cop: excuse me Buck can I ask you a couple of questions?
    Treo: Sorry Officer I really don’t have time right now. Am I free to go?
    Cop: It’s really just a couple of quick questions; I would really help me out if you cooperate.
    Treo: Officer, as I stated I do not have time to speak with you. Am I free to go?
    Cop: Yes you can leave, but it would really help me…
    Treo: Thank you Officer good day.

    If a cop ever tells you you’re not free to go that means he has a reasonable suspicion based on clearly articuable facts, that you have, in fact, committed a crime and is looking for probable cause to arrest you. (If he had PC you’d all ready be in handcuffs)
    This is absolutely the time to calmly and firmly assert your rights and shut up!

    Cop: No buck you are not free to go I’m detaining you because….
    Treo: Officer I don’t wish to answer any questions or make any statement w/out my lawyer present.
    Cop: Buck right now is the time for you to be cooperating with me; it’ll go much easier for you if you do.
    Treo: Officer I don’t wish to answer any questions or make any statement w/out my lawyer present.
    Cop: Yada Yada Yada
    Treo: Officer I don’t wish to answer any questions or make any statement w/out my lawyer present.

    Get the picture?
    You and the Police
    Kenneth W. Royce (Writing as Boston T. Party)
    Javelin Press 2006


    follow these simple rules every time you interact with a cop and we won’t have any more of these threads I promise
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Here we go again with the "never talk to police" crap...

    Cop: Excuse me sir can I ask you a few questions?
    Citizen: I dont have time. Am I free to go?
    Cop: Well sure but I wanted to ask you if you've seen this murder suspect around here
    Citizen: I dont wish to answer any questions without my lawyer. Am I free to go?
    ....

    Ya that's good advice to never talk to police I suppose....

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