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    Where does the 2nd Amendment state I shall be allowed to carry?

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms..." <--- where it says the word KEEP and right after says BEAR

    Where does it say I can do it openly?

    "... shall not be infringed." <----- right there

    The problem arises when the Federal government and the State Governments started to not read the last part of the 2A where it says, "shall not be infringed".

    They've been infringing and infringing and infringing. The permit system alone is an infringement. The set up of an FFL is an infringement. Magazine restrictions, infringement. Fully vs. semi auto, infringement.

    If we really are to KEEP and BEAR arms so that a "well regulated militia" of the people is always in place, then all firearms shall be made accessible.

    There is your 2A lesson.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
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    I have to laugh at the thought of our attorney general knowing anything...lol...good one.

    I have a hard time believing they could comprehend both "keep" and "bear" but that is just my experience..
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    Where does the 2nd Amendment state I shall be allowed to carry?

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms..." <--- where it says the word KEEP and right after says BEAR

    Where does it say I can do it openly?

    "... shall not be infringed." <----- right there

    The problem arises when the Federal government and the State Governments started to not read the last part of the 2A where it says, "shall not be infringed".

    They've been infringing and infringing and infringing. The permit system alone is an infringement. The set up of an FFL is an infringement. Magazine restrictions, infringement. Fully vs. semi auto, infringement.

    If we really are to KEEP and BEAR arms so that a "well regulated militia" of the people is always in place, then all firearms shall be made accessible.

    There is your 2A lesson.
    great rant, there is only one HUGE flaw with it, the supreme court does not share your interpretations and since they are the final arbiters of what is and is not constitutional and they have ruled that some restrictions can be placed onto the ownership of firearms, you sir are just "whistling dixie", because your rant is just flat out wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    great rant, there is only one HUGE flaw with it, the supreme court does not share your interpretations and since they are the final arbiters of what is and is not constitutional and they have ruled that some restrictions can be placed onto the ownership of firearms, you sir are just "whistling dixie", because your rant is just flat out wrong.
    Being that their voice is supreme over the land, in that, I will have to agree with you. However, this does not mean that I agree with what the Supreme Court has said in a number of things they have ruled on. I still hold firmly that the 2A is a very easy read, the fact that a bunch of lawyers turned SCOTUS don't seem to understand what "shall not be infringed" means does not make me wrong, it leaves me without a voice in the legal system. That, my friend, is wrong.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
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    Bare arms, OC, not to bare arms CC. Webster's definition is: Uncover (a part of the body or other thing) and expose it to view: "he bared his chest". I OC/CC about 50% each. NC requires the other 50% to be licensed. Don't agree with it but it is what it is.......

    Gee, kinda finalizes for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    Bare arms, OC, not to bare arms CC. Webster's definition is: Uncover (a part of the body or other thing) and expose it to view: "he bared his chest". I OC/CC about 50% each. NC requires the other 50% to be licensed. Don't agree with it but it is what it is.......

    Gee, kinda finalizes for me.
    Thank you for finally demonstrating the length and breadth of your expertise on this issue. I guess your post count ain't all it's cracked up to be.
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    Amendment II - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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    From Websters - (I have deleted the parts not applicable, because the word has SO MANY meanings...)

    Definition of BEAR - transitive verb

    1

    a : to move while holding up and supporting (something)

    b : to be equipped or furnished with (something)

    c : behave, conduct <bearing himself well>

    d : to have as a feature or characteristic <bears a likeness to her grandmother>

    e : to give as testimony <bear false witness>

    f : to have as an identification <bore the name of John>

    g : to hold in the mind or emotions <bear malice>


    Examples

    — bear arms

    1 : to carry or possess arms

    2: to serve as a soldier

    Bear - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    Being that their voice is supreme over the land, in that, I will have to agree with you. However, this does not mean that I agree with what the Supreme Court has said in a number of things they have ruled on. I still hold firmly that the 2A is a very easy read, the fact that a bunch of lawyers turned SCOTUS don't seem to understand what "shall not be infringed" means does not make me wrong, it leaves me without a voice in the legal system. That, my friend, is wrong.
    Yes sir. The supremes have been wrong more times than I can count in so many areas. Prayer in schools and nativity scenes at firehouses, land grabs (New London, CT), you name it. Just because they rule a certain way does not mean they're right. The verbiage of the Second Amendment is quite clear and concise and leaves no room for error in my opinion. What HAS been the bane of our Bill of Rights over the years is the concept of interpretation. That thing is subject to the whims of the times, not the original intent. If we last another 200 years, can you imagine what this nation would look like? I can't but I'm pretty sure it won't resemble anything like its founding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    Bare arms, OC, not to bare arms CC. Webster's definition is: Uncover (a part of the body or other thing) and expose it to view: "he bared his chest". I OC/CC about 50% each. NC requires the other 50% to be licensed. Don't agree with it but it is what it is.......

    Gee, kinda finalizes for me.
    Bear, in the context of of 18th century English, meant to carry on or about the person. This directly relates to the subject, "arms" which are weapons carried on or about the person. This phraseology still appears in our laws in my state, where it all started.

    Another miscue people have regarding the Second Amendment is the phrase, "well regulated". At the time of the writing of our Bill of Rights, this had nothing to do with regular drills or field practice. What it meant was, "to keep and make regular". This means to have an arm(s) and to have them at the ready (regular).
    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?
    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    Mappow, does a bare **** in the woods? Make sure you spell it right before you look it up in a dictionary.

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