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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Only jerks who want to scare small children open carry.
    I think this thread has moved way past Open Carry
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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Only jerks who want to scare small children open carry.
    Open carry is the 8th deadly sin.

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    The biggest thing I see in this thread is this underlying spirit of rebellion; this idea that ďIf Iím going to serve God it has to be on my terms.Ē Thatís not the way Christianity works, in fact in every case I find in the Bible where people tried to come to Jesus on their own terms they got told ďNo.Ē In the Old Testament when the followers of Korah stepped out against Godís ordained plan of leadership for Israel the ground opened up and swallowed them. (how's that for a church that accepts people where they are)

    The behavior that I see here is that the man came here with his decision already made that his church would rather people didnít open carry. Iím positive he didnít reach this conclusion on his own. I am sure, even if he didnít say it, that he sat down with some elders in his church and they decided on that policy together. And instead of not so much even supporting his decision as even recognizing his right to make it most of the people in this thread started slamming him for it.

    Then all this bile against the Christian church started to surface and except one or two cases it all came from people claiming to be Christians who almost across the board made the same accusation that the church was a bunch of judgmental hypocrites because they donít accept people as they are (like you all did to the OP ?).

    Iíve said it before but every time I hear about how Jesus met with the sinners and the whores I hear it from people that believe following Christ shouldnít involve any kind of change in their lives or effort on their part which tells me that you havenít read much Scripture because Jesus radically changed the lives of every person He called.

    Jesus did meet with the sinners and the tax collectors and the whores but no where in Scripture is it even implied that He condoned their lifestyle in fact he routinely admonished people to leave their sinful lives behind and follow him. He didnít allow anyone to stay in their sin.

    Knowing this I have a very hard time with this concept of the all inclusive church, where we all just get together and just love on Jesus and all behaviors are acceptable because we donít want to be judgmental. Again itís not Scriptural; your idea of what a church should be doesnít match the Biblical example of what a church should be.

    As always if anyone want to show me a Scriptural precedent that proves me wrong I'm open to hearing it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    The biggest thing I see in this thread is this underlying spirit of rebellion; this idea that “If I’m going to serve God it has to be on my terms.” That’s not the way Christianity works, in fact in every case I find in the Bible where people tried to come to Jesus on their own terms they got told “No.” In the Old Testament when the followers of Korah stepped out against God’s ordained plan of leadership for Israel the ground opened up and swallowed them. (how's that for a church that accepts people where they are)

    The behavior that I see here is that the man came here with his decision already made that his church would rather people didn’t open carry. I’m positive he didn’t reach this conclusion on his own. I am sure, even if he didn’t say it, that he sat down with some elders in his church and they decided on that policy together. And instead of not so much even supporting his decision as even recognizing his right to make it most of the people in this thread started slamming him for it.

    Then all this bile against the Christian church started to surface and except one or two cases it all came from people claiming to be Christians who almost across the board made the same accusation that the church was a bunch of judgmental hypocrites because they don’t accept people as they are (like you all did to the OP ?).

    I’ve said it before but every time I hear about how Jesus met with the sinners and the whores I hear it from people that believe following Christ shouldn’t involve any kind of change in their lives or effort on their part which tells me that you haven’t read much Scripture because Jesus radically changed the lives of every person He called.

    Jesus did meet with the sinners and the tax collectors and the whores but no where in Scripture is it even implied that He condoned their lifestyle in fact he routinely admonished people to leave their sinful lives behind and follow him. He didn’t allow anyone to stay in their sin.

    Knowing this I have a very hard time with this concept of the all inclusive church, where we all just get together and just love on Jesus and all behaviors are acceptable because we don’t want to be judgmental. Again it’s not Scriptural; your idea of what a church should be doesn’t match the Biblical example of what a church should be.

    As always if anyone want to show me a Scriptural precedent that proves me wrong I'm open to hearing it .
    The real problem is you're trying to tell a bunch of Americans what they can or can't do (regardless of the property where this is taking place). They don't usually respond well to that. It also involves the one thing (carrying a gun) that we feel to be an unquestionable right. The fact is the 2A says nothing about how or where to carry as well as who can tell us how or where. It also says nothing about the right to bear arms unless it makes the other parishioners uncomfortable then you need to cover up or leave. The religious aspect is really just fodder to add fuel to this ever flaming fire. The issue is really much simpler than that. Who are you to modify my 2A right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    The biggest thing I see in this thread is this underlying spirit of rebellion; this idea that ďIf Iím going to serve God it has to be on my terms.Ē Thatís not the way Christianity works, in fact in every case I find in the Bible where people tried to come to Jesus on their own terms they got told ďNo.Ē In the Old Testament when the followers of Korah stepped out against Godís ordained plan of leadership for Israel the ground opened up and swallowed them. (how's that for a church that accepts people where they are)

    The behavior that I see here is that the man came here with his decision already made that his church would rather people didnít open carry. Iím positive he didnít reach this conclusion on his own. I am sure, even if he didnít say it, that he sat down with some elders in his church and they decided on that policy together. And instead of not so much even supporting his decision as even recognizing his right to make it most of the people in this thread started slamming him for it.

    Then all this bile against the Christian church started to surface and except one or two cases it all came from people claiming to be Christians who almost across the board made the same accusation that the church was a bunch of judgmental hypocrites because they donít accept people as they are (like you all did to the OP ?).

    Iíve said it before but every time I hear about how Jesus met with the sinners and the whores I hear it from people that believe following Christ shouldnít involve any kind of change in their lives or effort on their part which tells me that you havenít read much Scripture because Jesus radically changed the lives of every person He called.

    Jesus did meet with the sinners and the tax collectors and the whores but no where in Scripture is it even implied that He condoned their lifestyle in fact he routinely admonished people to leave their sinful lives behind and follow him. He didnít allow anyone to stay in their sin.

    Knowing this I have a very hard time with this concept of the all inclusive church, where we all just get together and just love on Jesus and all behaviors are acceptable because we donít want to be judgmental. Again itís not Scriptural; your idea of what a church should be doesnít match the Biblical example of what a church should be.

    As always if anyone want to show me a Scriptural precedent that proves me wrong I'm open to hearing it .
    I thought I was joking about open carry being the 8th deadly sin...but you actually think open carrying is a sin?

    The more you stereotype all open carries, which you did right off the get go, the easier it is to stereotype all Christians that go to your church. What I see here, is one person who represents a church of judgmental hypocritical Christians trying to make themselves feel better, and feels his terms are somehow godly compared to his subservient peons below him.

    I didn't realize there were prerequisites before I'm allowed to God...Oh wait there aren't..that's just in man's church. Might as well have a cover charge while your at it.

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    The biggest thing I see in this thread is this underlying spirit of rebellion; this idea that “If I’m going to serve God it has to be on my terms.” That’s not the way Christianity works,
    Really? It seems to me like you are the one saying, "If you are going to serve God here, then you are going to do it on our terms!" Isn't there a verse somewhere in a popular book that says something about taking the board out of your own eye before you try to pick the spec out of someone else's? Seriously, you are turning away a person for visibly carrying an object on their belt. An object that suddenly becomes OK to carry if it is hidden. An object that I carry on my belt to protect my family with from a violent attack.

    And you talking about this spirit of rebellion.... excuse me?!? Who are you to set the terms of service for God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfisch View Post
    The real problem is you're trying to tell a bunch of Americans what they can or can't do (regardless of the property where this is taking place). They don't usually respond well to that. It also involves the one thing (carrying a gun) that we feel to be an unquestionable right. The fact is the 2A says nothing about how or where to carry as well as who can tell us how or where. It also says nothing about the right to bear arms unless it makes the other parishioners uncomfortable then you need to cover up or leave. The religious aspect is really just fodder to add fuel to this ever flaming fire. The issue is really much simpler than that. Who are you to modify my 2A right?
    So does your Second amendment right trump my right as a property owner? Can I come to your house and start spewing profanity in front of your wife and kids? I mean after all that is my First Amendment Right correct? Can I walk into your house with out an invitation? I mean I have a right to free travel correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfisch View Post
    The real problem is you're trying to tell a bunch of Americans what they can or can't do (regardless of the property where this is taking place). They don't usually respond well to that. It also involves the one thing (carrying a gun) that we feel to be an unquestionable right. The fact is the 2A says nothing about how or where to carry as well as who can tell us how or where. It also says nothing about the right to bear arms unless it makes the other parishioners uncomfortable then you need to cover up or leave. The religious aspect is really just fodder to add fuel to this ever flaming fire. The issue is really much simpler than that. Who are you to modify my 2A right?
    I do feel private property owners have the Right to control firearms on their property...but just like all businesses that restrict me from open carrying, I will treat them all the same. They are anti gun, and in such unwelcoming to me, and everyone that asks me about that place will know I do not recommend their business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    So does your Second amendment right trump my right as a property owner? Can I come to your house and start spewing profanity in front of your wife and kids? I mean after all that is my First Amendment Right correct? Can I walk into your house with out an invitation? I mean I have a right to free travel correct?
    What I learned from this thread:

    Open carry actually IS the 8th deadly sin.

    Open carriers are all rebellious and disruptive.

    Open carriers are all prostitutes/whores.

    Open carriers are more dangerous than concealed carriers.

    An object on a belt doing nothing is the same as verbally assaulting someone.

    What else am I going to learn from this Jesus like figure.

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