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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by {TEX**Hawaii(( View Post
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    I just like the element of surprise. It's a fundamental of the offensive mindset.

    The "element of surprise" is not now, and never in the history of the world has been, a defensive tactic. Surprise is exclusively an offensive tactic. What you’re calling “the element of surprise” is nothing more than damage control. You are reacting to someone surprising you.

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  3. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    The "element of surprise" is not now, and never in the history of the world has been, a defensive tactic. Surprise is exclusively an offensive tactic. What you’re calling “the element of surprise” is nothing more than damage control. You are reacting to someone surprising you.
    I didn't say that, Tex did.
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  4. #53
    Mainsail Wrote:

    The "element of surprise" is not now, and never in the history of the world has been, a defensive tactic. Surprise is exclusively an offensive tactic. What you’re calling “the element of surprise” is nothing more than damage control. You are reacting to someone surprising you.
    Read all posts before commenting. I posted this to clarify...

    Yes, I think we can agree that while we all carry for defensive purposes, the second our gun comes out of the holster we will be in the offensive frame of mind. Take the fight to the bad guy as required and within the law.
    I will say again that there are several circumstances that can arise to cause you to go into an offense within the the left and right limits of the law. When this happens I suggest that it is better to have the advantage of the attacker not knowing you are armed.

    With all I've posted on this thread, I find it odd that this point is brought out.
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  5. As I understand it, this is the way {TEX**Hawii(( is describing the element of surprise so many CC advocates talk about:

    In normal everyday life, the CCer looks like any other person. The BG who is looking for a victim can tell no difference between the CCer and the victim next to him not carrying.

    When the BG chooses to target the CCer and takes some form of action against the CCer, the CCer reacts by going on the offensive by taking positive action to neutralize the threat posed by BG. Now that the action has been initiated against the CCer by the BG, and the CCer is forced to assume an offensive role, the CCer feels more comfortable that he is able to surprise the BG with his action taken to assume the offensive role by drawing his previously unseen weapon.

    Personally, I would rather not look like a potential target equal to the person next to me. I would rather present myself, right up front and in the open, as a much more hardened target and therefore greatly increase the chances that the BG is just going to move on to easier pickings to begin with. I have more desire to not engage a BG in the first place because they moved on rather than to defend myself against the attack once the attack begins. Does that do anything to help lower the crime rate? NO - but that is not my role as a person who carries a gun for self defense.

    And the argument that my visible gun is going to cause me to get shot first. Why in the world would a BG choose to engage in a firefight when, due to the lack of OCer's, he can go down the street two blocks away and pick out a target that doesn't have a gun showing?
    Last edited by NavyLCDR; 02-27-2009 at 11:36 AM.

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    Good post NavyLT

    I would only add that the one carries oneself can also add to not looking like a victim, in addition to OC or even when you CC. Walk with your head up, use situational awareness, look confident, don't look distracted. These things could help make BG decided to choose someone else even if you aren't armed.
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  7. #56
    I've started informally polling my more hardened arrestees and asking them if they would attempt to rob a visibly armed man (open carrying) and the universal answer has been, "******* No!" Then I asked what if they wanted the gun? All still said "F***No,!" as they can easily buy one for $50-$75 bucks on the street without the threat of failure.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Liberty1 View Post
    I've started informally polling my more hardened arrestees and asking them if they would attempt to rob a visibly armed man (open carrying) and the universal answer has been, "******* No!" Then I asked what if they wanted the gun? All still said "F***No,!" as they can easily buy one for $50-$75 bucks on the street without the threat of failure.
    Imagine that... chicken s***t criminals. Who would have thunk it.

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    one of the beauties of safety bullet is that if someone stole your gun and they pulled back the slide, they would see brass and asume it was loaded. Upon firing the safety bullet at you they would lock up the gun and your life would have been saved, smart hu!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty1 View Post
    I've started informally polling my more hardened arrestees and asking them if they would attempt to rob a visibly armed man (open carrying) and the universal answer has been, "******* No!" Then I asked what if they wanted the gun? All still said "F***No,!" as they can easily buy one for $50-$75 bucks on the street without the threat of failure.
    A criminal may also think that a visibly armed man is a cop or some sort of leo. Reading numerous posts on open carry.org, many people noticing the OCer, usually asks, "Are you a cop?"

    I guess the question would be if Open Carrying is more of a deterent in comparrison to the invitation to would be gun robbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire Worley View Post
    one of the beauties of safety bullet is that if someone stole your gun and they pulled back the slide, they would see brass and asume it was loaded. Upon firing the safety bullet at you they would lock up the gun and your life would have been saved, smart hu!
    Don't know about anyone else on this site but I would
    NEVER
    carry a firearm that's rigged with a device that could render the firearm useless. It's obvious that Ms. Worley or anyone who is a fan of the "safety bullet" have NEVER been in a firefight. Things go so fast that you don't have time to "think". A life and death situation is not the time to be making critical mistakes.

    Please stop finding opportunities to peddle your product. If you want "free advertisement", then go buy some ad space somewhere. I've yet to see the "safety bullet" advertised in any of the firearms magazines I read. That tells me a lot about your product.

    Back to the subject.

    I get the occasional "are you a cop" when I OC. Most of the time I don't have any problems. I do notice folks being a lot more polite and courteous though. As long as the person OCing has the proper training and SA, I see no problem with OC.



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