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    Stolen gun at Walmart causes panic - News - The Fayetteville Observer - Fayetteville, NC


    First let me say that I fully support a person's right to make their own decision regarding open carry. Having said that I don't think it's a good idea and it's not something I'll ever do again.

    I remember about 10 years ago when Open Carry was just starting to be a thing people said that some one would steal your gun right off of you. I also remember the open carry people saying that if that was the case where were all the news stories. Well, 10 years down the road and there seems to be a new story every week.

    Of all the citizen open carriers I see I've seen exactly TWO carrying in any type of retention holster. Almost across the board the people I've seen are using cheap nylon holsters or that cheap assed plastic Glock holsters. I've also noticed that (to paraphrase Tamara Keel) most of the Open Carriers I've run into tend to open carry AT YOU.

    If you're going to open carry you need a retention holster and a plan for when someone tries to take that gun off of you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    First let me say that I fully support a person's right to make their own decision regarding open carry. Having said that I don't think it's a good idea and it's not something I'll ever do again.
    So all it would take is a few stories about concealed carry folks having their gun taken and concealed carry is something you will never do again?
    ... there seems to be a new story every week.
    Hyperbole much?

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    I don't open carry for the same reason my wife does not carry a purse. Both are just tempting targets to a thief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    So all it would take is a few stories about concealed carry folks having their gun taken and concealed carry is something you will never do again?
    No it took someone trying to take my gun off of my while I was in uniform to convince me that Open Carry isn't something I want to do in my private life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    No it took someone trying to take my gun off of my while I was in uniform to convince me that Open Carry isn't something I want to do in my private life.
    You neglected to answer Mainsail's second question.
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    Stolen gun at Walmart causes panic - News - The Fayetteville Observer - Fayetteville, NC


    First let me say that I fully support a person's right to make their own decision regarding open carry. Having said that I don't think it's a good idea and it's not something I'll ever do again.

    I remember about 10 years ago when Open Carry was just starting to be a thing people said that some one would steal your gun right off of you. I also remember the open carry people saying that if that was the case where were all the news stories. Well, 10 years down the road and there seems to be a new story every week.

    Of all the citizen open carriers I see I've seen exactly TWO carrying in any type of retention holster. Almost across the board the people I've seen are using cheap nylon holsters or that cheap assed plastic Glock holsters. I've also noticed that (to paraphrase Tamara Keel) most of the Open Carriers I've run into tend to open carry AT YOU.

    If you're going to open carry you need a retention holster and a plan for when someone tries to take that gun off of you
    I think this really depends on location. I agree somewhat, unless you are open carrying in the woods or some desolate town you should have at least a level 2 retention holster and some decent situational awareness. Also, carry a BUG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    You neglected to answer Mainsail's second question.
    What I said was hyperbole but I never stated it as fact. Having said that, I'm not sure how much hyperbole was involved. I'm sure there weren't 52 instances of an open carrier having their gun stolen since December 28 2016 but I bet there were more than the two I posted just in the last couple months.

    Again if you want to open carry by all means be my guest but please do me the same courtesy if I want to think it's an unnecessary risk and abstain from the practice.
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    Excellent quote from pistolforum


    Quote Originally Posted by BillSWPA View Post
    I have yet to be able to have a rational discussion with an open carry advocate. They can't get past the idea that if one doesn't support open carry, then one must be anti-second-amendment. It is one of many examples of how gun owners are often their own worst enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whomever from Wherever
    I have yet to be able to have a rational discussion with an open carry advocate. They can't get past the idea that if one doesn't support open carry, then one must be anti-second-amendment. It is one of many examples of how gun owners are often their own worst enemy.
    In as much as the bulk of jurisdictions where there's a choice between non-permitted open carry, and mandatory permitted concealed carry, the argument is decidedly about support for the unabridged Second Amendment. As much as I believe that OC presents no added risk of losing my weapon for me, it is also the case that I OC in large part as a way of getting government one more minor step out of my life. I don't need to be taxed for using my Second Amendment rights as long as I OC. I don't need additional government-imposed background checks or record-keeping of all of my identifying information to use my Second Amendment rights as long as I OC. That's what people who refuse to consider a 2A argument because they've "secured" (or so they think) their permissions from government to carry as they otherwise would even if permits weren't required, "can't get past," which is why, I guess, such people also can't be available for rational and actual Second Amendment discussions.

    I couldn't care any less how you carry, Eidolon. Nothing I've ever said can be cited that suggests I do care. Like you did in the post above the one I'm replying to, all I ever do is express my preferences for how I carry, and sometimes go into explanations that led me to those preferences. Abstain as you wish from any and all things that I do or think, that you don't do or think likewise. Honestly, there is nothing in the world that I've ever given less thought or notice to.

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