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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    Say what you want but federal gun free zones are "federal" and LEO's from out of state are subject to the LAW, don't agree with it, but if you are going to enforce the LAW on Law abiding citizens then why not on LEO's, fairness doctrine>
    I think this GFZ needs a real challenge. I just wish I had the money to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    I think this GFZ needs a real challenge. I just wish I had the money to do it.
    Agreed.

  4. #263
    A well-written and well thought-out argument in favor of open carry, with very valid points as to deterrence of crime. In replying to another forum thread about concealed carry, I learned something about myself - I've got some serious passive-aggressive issues. I (currently) HAVE to carry concealed and cannot carry openly (in Florida). I was advocating "deep concealment" with no "printing", and I learned that my own reasoning for that is that I would like to surprise, ambush, and preferably kill, lawbreakers who want to prey on me or my family, or other honest people. I would PREFER not to simply deter them, which means sending them down the road to prey on others - I want them GONE and I'm willing to take the risk that it might be me instead. I was a little surprised by that insight, but I have to own up to it. I think that may be the real argument for concealed carry instead of open carry - to kill lawbreakers instead of deterring them. It puts law-abiding citizens at risk, but when has that ever been NOT true? So getting a concealed carry permit is simply acknowledging the truth that, in the end, WE THE PEOPLE are ALWAYS responsible for our own protection. The buck stops with us!

  5. Thank you for an honest evaluation, Dragonbreath. If I might add something...

    My goal is to keep myself and my family as safe as possible. If I successfully defend myself against a criminal by shooting them, what effect does that have on me and my family? If they were present, they have now gone through the trauma of being attacked in the first place. Then they go through the trauma of seeing me shoot another person, and possibly that person dying. Then we go through the legal system. Just because the shooting was justified does not mean the family of the criminal won't be suing in court. It may bankrupt me just to successfully defend against a civil suit. Not to mention if there is an anti-gun DA who might file charges against me anyway.

    Now, if I can deter that criminal - the family and myself go through no trauma and no legal hassle. Is it REALLY worth it to place my family at increased risk of having to go through the defensive shooting just so that I can possibly prevent that criminal from moving past me and attacking the next victim?
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  6. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Thank you for an honest evaluation, Dragonbreath. If I might add something...

    My goal is to keep myself and my family as safe as possible. If I successfully defend myself against a criminal by shooting them, what effect does that have on me and my family? If they were present, they have now gone through the trauma of being attacked in the first place. Then they go through the trauma of seeing me shoot another person, and possibly that person dying. Then we go through the legal system. Just because the shooting was justified does not mean the family of the criminal won't be suing in court. It may bankrupt me just to successfully defend against a civil suit. Not to mention if there is an anti-gun DA who might file charges against me anyway.

    Now, if I can deter that criminal - the family and myself go through no trauma and no legal hassle. Is it REALLY worth it to place my family at increased risk of having to go through the defensive shooting just so that I can possibly prevent that criminal from moving past me and attacking the next victim?
    Excellent points to go into the column of problems caused by concealed carry, but which would not happen under legalized open carry. Unfortunately, current concealed carry laws are not only restrictive "going in", but also allow the DAs, judges, and juries to play Monday morning quarterback and second guess anything a CCW holder does. The current concealed carry laws (at least here in Florida) allow a civil court case to bankrupt a CCW holder who was adjudged as completely justified in shooting a person who was a clear and imminent threat to others' lives. Our system of justice is preferable to most others, but that doesn't mean it's always just.

  7. #266
    My 18 year old son open carries everwhere, be in store, movie or bank. In Indiana the only places you can not carry would be schools, courts, and hospitals with prison wards. He tells me he hardly gets any looks at all. By open carrying his gun he does not have to worry about the intimination factor that is in the Indiana law. He is a military MP and rides out with the local police from time to time.

  8. #267
    Excellent article! Sadly, I live in New York, so everyone is on a witch hunt to ban ccw altogether and are the furthest away from allowing open carry. This article has definitely softened my opinion on open carrying though. I have always advised against the idea due to two reasons: 1) in general, it scares people, and 2) I wanted to keep the "element of surprise".

    Now, as for scaring people, I think that totally depends on the type of people you're around. Here in New York you find yourself surrounded by liberal block-heads who like to live in "peace" and "harmony" with one another. Heaven forbid we have a gun poster hanging up in public, let alone someone carrying a REAL gun. ...But we can still kill babies- there's nothing wrong with that. However, in, let's say, Texas, people really don't care because they're used to guns. I will also add that in private settings, I have never had a problem with open carry.

    Now, as for the element of surprise, this is also tricky. It really depends on your situation. I've been in situations many times where I was glad my piece was concealed. For example, buying ammunition at Wal-Mart (especially when they denied the ammunition sale causing me to feel the need to strangle the guy!)The guy selling the ammunition knew only one thing, thanks to the liberal media and the Brady campaign: "guns are dangerous and nobody should have them except the police (and Comrade Obama's palace guards)." However, hypothetically speaking, I could definitely see open carry as being a major deterrent in a public place (like a grocery store), however, if you're walking down the streets of Harlem, you're probably going to end up making yourself a huge target- especially if you've got an ivory colored pistol grip.

    The point is, it really depends on who your company is and where you are geographically. Keep yourself in perspective. Keep a cool head and above all, use your powers of situational awareness and common sense. I have only ever had to draw my weapon once in a time of need, and the situation was resolved peacefully.
    Freedom isn't free.

  9. I think this as should be a personal choice but in some states ( Mine included GA ) it is not. I personally prefer to carry concealed as I do not want anyone other than my family members to know I am armed as this in a lot of instances gives the bad guys the heads up to ambush me rather than confront me feeling like he has the upper hand. If/when I am confronted by someone who is gonna rob or do me harm I will comnply in order to be able to get my weapon in hand then it will be the double tap to the chest and then one in the head so I KNOW the bad guy will not be able to either get up or return fire. Again this is my personal choice and opinion and nothing more nor less.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Big Dawg View Post
    I think this as should be a personal choice but in some states ( Mine included GA ) it is not. I personally prefer to carry concealed as I do not want anyone other than my family members to know I am armed as this in a lot of instances gives the bad guys the heads up to ambush me rather than confront me feeling like he has the upper hand. If/when I am confronted by someone who is gonna rob or do me harm I will comnply in order to be able to get my weapon in hand then it will be the double tap to the chest and then one in the head so I KNOW the bad guy will not be able to either get up or return fire. Again this is my personal choice and opinion and nothing more nor less.
    Same with myself not wanting to tip anyone off, but I feel making it open carry would sure cut down on many problems with local police. Even if you don't use it.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Big Dawg View Post
    I think this as should be a personal choice but in some states ( Mine included GA ) it is not.
    Open carry with a recognized permit is not prohibited in Georgia. It is just as much a personal choice as concealed carry is.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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