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  1. There was definitely a lot of useful and thought provoking information in the post and the responses. I find myself preferring open carry to conceal carry, however, I can see a need for both. The whole concept you put forward in your post about deterrent was well thought out and illustrated, I think you are very right that a would be attacker would at the very least need to re-think their strategy and possibly back off. However, I might point out you have to consider many people who make such attacks are not methodical by nature and are making deperate actions and or could be drug/alcohol induced and may try it regardless of you displaying a firearm. I think in the long run, I would much rather open carry than conceal carry anyways, simply for functionality, fumbling around for a concealed weapon could very well cost your life or phyiscal harm. I would also mention that my intention would be to never need to injure or kill anyone with my firearms, but if carrying one openly deterrs a would be attacker then I say go for it.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Dkdufau View Post
    I live in new orleans. At least 10 out of 100 are bad cops. Have you read the news lately about the Danziger killings by police . Killing unarmed civilians. And they probably will get off. I fear police down hear more then civilians. When katrina hit police where illegally taking firearms. Really bad cops in new orleans. Someone please respond.
    A year later after a jury found me not guilty of pointing a firearm at a person, the arresting Officer TPDs Tulsa, Oklahoma Police Dept. 22 year force Vet. told me to my face Quote:I don't care how many of the jury shook your hand I stand by my arrest,. and I feel the jury got it wrong.
    Think she had and open mind the day she was called to investigate this Bastard Steven Jay Sockey saying I pointed myhandgun at him.
    Well it sure is not over, i am suing him and letting him feel as I did the fear of losing. It's not the same as me feeling in fear of being convicted, but it's something for this gun hating bastard and his wife to think about.

  4. Tagged so I can find Mainsail's well-written OC article again.

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    I thoroughly believe in the element of surprise. Keep the bad guy guessing as to who may or may not be packing, and it in itself minimizes the risk!

    This was a statement in another post, and I can't help but to question the logic. Why would you want the bad guy to make a 50/50 decision if he is going to try to kill you when you could make it 100% he won't? I find it easy to believe that if a bad guy is going to hold up a 7-11 and he sees no threat, he is going to hold the place up. If he checks out the isle, and sees me with a sidearm, openly displayed, unless he has a death wish he is going to the circle k up the road. I don't think concealed carry minimizes the risk. Thats why uniformed cops don't get held up, duh.
    I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTG-05 View Post
    Tagged so I can find Mainsail's well-written OC article again.

    I have it bookmarked...
    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-...-argument.html
    While many claim to support the right, precious few support the practice.

  7. This is one of the best and well written articles I have read in a very long time, I have always carried concealed.
    I think that I have agreed with open carry all along, I have noticed when We (wife and I), would leave the store for the parking lot, I would always uncover my sidearm.
    Thanks for a great article.

    Mike ( Nevada )

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardballer View Post
    Keep in mind that we all have accepted the "reasonable" infringements to the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. "Reasonable" gun laws that have only served to disarm and endanger honest citizens. The Constitution is the only carry permit that is required but because we have allowed 'little by little' and 'give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile', we have surrendered our 'right' to bear arms till it is almost unrecognizable and bandied about as a mere privilage.

    They would like you to think it is a privilege. This is patently false. It is your right, not given but written on your heart. It comes with the operating program we are equipped with from birth. As the Constitution says in 9th Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. They used the word 'enumerated' because it was assumed those rights were endowed by a higher power, in effect, already retained by "We The People".

    We have been led to believe that we are now too sophisticated to need such crude devices such as tools for self defense. We are not to be trusted with our own self defense. Media wants the world to believe that our guns are dangerous. We are dangerous. More so than cars driven by drunks, or knife and club wielding thugs. Guns in fact, are the real problem.

    So does it not anger you that you need a permit to exercise your right to carry or as the Constitution puts it, "bear arms"? Every activist judge that ruled against the Constitution because they felt it was 'reasonable to limit your right to bear arms needs to be re-schooled in Constitutional law at the least.

    The Constitution is as constant as the morning star. It is black and white. No grey areas. Unchangeable. Shall not be infringed means, just that. If we continue to accept tiny little infringments in the name of "reasonable" we will soon not have a Constitution at all. Just a faint memory and one day an archeologist will dig up a digital copy and see what they missed.
    Fantastic post! I joined this forum just to jump into this thread. O.P. wrote a good essay as well. True story brother!
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    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    Saftey in NUMBERS my friend. Stay and groups and they tend not to mess with you. When you arrest a group or five to ten people or even four people. For no other reason then they are armed gets people talking and brings BAD LIGHT TO THE DEPARTMENT. Up here in the so call "Free State" We still have probems with cops but we have a great way of dealing with it. Every time they stop one of us ( by us i mean a gun owner who wants to open carry simply becasue THEY CAN BY LAW). We come out in groups and open carry and walk around the town that is happend it. You know what the cops don't even stop lol.
    For me...the whole "safety in numbers" thing when open carrying, is no different than a "meet & greet". Which I don't involve myself in either one of these activities. Carrying a firearm openly or concealed is serious business. Serious enough that I consider either type of carry as a personal activity. As personal as any activity I involve myself in, outside my home. Personally, I feel group carry is nothing more than an act which draws attention to it's self. Positively, or negatively; It's attention, in my opinion, that is a bold display in a public place, for everyone to see...."hey look at me, i'm carrying a gun"! It's too aggressive in my opinion to openly carry in this manner. I prefer to openly carry on my own. The law is still on my side. I'm perfectly aware of what message I'm sending to the public when I'm openly carrying a firearm. However; it not the public I'm sending the message to. It's the "would-be" criminal. Dealing with the public and LE is just part of it. I don't feel I need 10, 20, 30, or more people walking with me to draw anymore attention to myself. It's not my job to educate the public to their rights. I can't tell you how many times in my life I heard someone say, "ignorance of the law is no excuse"? Well, that's how I feel about my openly carrying my firearm. I'm not breaking the law...I'm exercising my right to openly carry my firearm. It's not my fault that Joe Public doesn't know his rights. But I do think that when the police arrive to see that I've done nothing illegal, they should take it upon themselves to educate the public, or the "complainting caller" to my lawful right to carry openly. It shouldn't be my responsibility to educate the public about any law in any way? I'm not a lawyer. I just think there are better ways to handle these issues. I have often thought about all the money NRA members send to defend our gun rights, yet...I rarely see any television commercials instructing the public. There are endless channels of infomercials on television everyday of the week. How to make money from home...How to get money from the government...etc...But I've never seen one infomercial dedicated to the education of the public on late nite television? Sure there are gun shows on the outdoor channel, and others about guns. But nothing about educating the public on gun law, rights, or legislation? Why is that? Why do my fellow gun owners feel they need to stage group walks, or group meet and greets? I'm going to lawfully carry my firearms openly and concealed. I'll let my attorney handle the rest. Good story, good reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESD View Post
    Why do my fellow gun owners feel they need to stage group walks, or group meet and greets?
    As you stated the NRA, GOA, & SAF is doing nothing to educated the public, so why not us??

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    I like "hardballer's" post quoted above. Well said and reasoned through.

    In fact there are a number of solid "rationales" for both POVs to be found in reading this thread.

    However, still not convinced that I want to become a "general public educator" in "gun rights". Got better things to do with my time left dancing on this plane of existance. (One of the reasons why I stopped teaching at Jr. Colleges.)

    So I think I will continue on the path of least personal involvement in daily "hassles" and continue concealed. (Might change my mind should ever I see another open carrier in and about my town...... Alas. Nary a one!)

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