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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by surfcc View Post
    I think it's pretty lame and I am confident the only reason you produced this video was to get your desired result. Be thankful the officer handled it the way he did.
    If the cops would have known the law like us regular people are supposed to know the law he never would have been stopped. Be thankful the officer illegally detained him?

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by kbv View Post
    As for the crack about me in Nazi Germany, I'd be likely to pound you if you said that to my face (I say "likely"; take that any way you like).

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    lol wrong crowd buddy...
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  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    lol wrong crowd buddy...
    No doubt...

    Reminds me of the time that a pickup load of yahoos went screaming past our campground yelling obscenities out the windows! It was our annual weekend get-together of the International Black Belt Federation. We were rolling on the ground laughing, thinking of the surprise they would have had if they had stopped to make trouble. Great fun!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    No doubt...

    Reminds me of the time that a pickup load of yahoos went screaming past our campground yelling obscenities out the windows! It was our annual weekend get-together of the International Black Belt Federation. We were rolling on the ground laughing, thinking of the surprise they would have had if they had stopped to make trouble. Great fun!
    lmfao
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    I will say up front that I am not a fan of open carry, simply because I think it makes more sense that you keep your weapon concealed and make it a big surprise to the bad guy. I was a cop for 23 years until I left my PD in May, and only carried openly when in uniform or wearing clothing that identified my dept for training or such. I helped write policy that required our plainclothes officers to conceal their weapons when in public. That said, I agree that open carry is legal and permissible, and if you choose to do so fine. One problem I have is that when I carry in duty gear, my hand sometimes rests on my pistol grip, not out of fear, simply as a convenient resting place. I tried not to do it when just talking to folks, to avoid the threatening appearance, but it happened. What if you are open carrying, and your hand brushes or rests on the pistol grip? What if it does so during a contact with another person who is carrying, or an officer? Not saying this is a reason for not open carrying, just raising a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sargespd View Post
    I will say up front that I am not a fan of open carry, simply because I think it makes more sense that you keep your weapon concealed and make it a big surprise to the bad guy. I was a cop for 23 years until I left my PD in May, and only carried openly when in uniform or wearing clothing that identified my dept for training or such. I helped write policy that required our plainclothes officers to conceal their weapons when in public. That said, I agree that open carry is legal and permissible, and if you choose to do so fine. One problem I have is that when I carry in duty gear, my hand sometimes rests on my pistol grip, not out of fear, simply as a convenient resting place. I tried not to do it when just talking to folks, to avoid the threatening appearance, but it happened. What if you are open carrying, and your hand brushes or rests on the pistol grip? What if it does so during a contact with another person who is carrying, or an officer? Not saying this is a reason for not open carrying, just raising a question.

    All part of training and conditioning. Weather I'm carrying or not carrying (OC or CC), my hands rest to my sides. Iif it's in colder weather and I don't have golves, then in my jacket pockets. I have at times found myself with my thumbs in my side pockets, but NEVER noticed my hand touching the grip of my pistol without reason. I've trained myself to keep my right hand empty as much as possible. This keeps my hand free to draw my firearm if needed or in places where I'm unable to carry a firearm (as in PRHI), another defensive tool (like a folding knife).

    Like anything, training and conditioning are important when dealing with firearms.



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  8. Any carry is great. Open or concealed, who cares. If your a good guy, I don't have to worry about you and the bad guys will concealed carry illegally anyway. The cops were a joke in the vid. Sorry LEOs on board. I have no time for ignorant, ill informed law-enforcement personnel. The Constitution is as plain as it can be whether you read it with an eye to the original context and language or in today's language. The part that says, and I quote, "Shall not be infringed" Means the same to day as it did then.

    I've been open carrying for some time now and have adopted some new habits too. I carry either a government 1911 cocked and locked or a Combat Commander in condition one. I am aware of my personal space. Of peoples eye contact. Proximity. Of my body position. Keeping my right hand free. I'm sure there are lots of other things I probably do differently than an un-armed person. I make an effort to not put myself in a situation where I feel uncomfortable. My preference obviously, is to avoid or deflect rather than enter into a conflict of any kind.

    I carry because I can. I carry because the Constitution says I can. Because it is my right as a living being to be able to protect myself and my loved ones. Period. This is not a mystery. Even the animals understand the right to self defense. Why can't a liberal/Communist/fascist? That was a rhetorical question.
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  9. Don't get me wrong i open carry quite fequently and ccw as well but I live in montana I dont need a permit to cc out side of city limits and can carry open in city limit wth a few restictons, but it is the gun oweners responiilty to know all laws that pertain to him. Actully he was breaking a law, municipal code code yes it mabe legal in the sate but the state give's citys the right to make thier own laws as well.
    Cleveland Heights, Ohio municipal code 551.12 PROHIBITIONS AGAINST CARRYING A FIREARM SECTION B)No person, unless exempted by any of the provisions of this chapter, shall transport in any vehicle, or carry on or about his person upon the streets and public places of the City, any handgun or other firearm, unless such handgun or other firearm is at all times unloaded and encased.

    As a LEO myself the officers might have handled it bad but I think alot lot of the issue comes back to his ID# number want in the system with could mean either fake or a computer error ,and if that's fake what else is, but I dont like the way he taunting the officer best thing is to shut up and ask for the shift supervisorif he had a issue looks like he was out just for that to cause trouble with the LEO.

    moral of the story know all laws that pertain to you fed.,state, county, town/city laws or one's you plan on driving though or visting with your gun its your responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 79broncoguy View Post
    Actully he was breaking a law, municipal code code yes it mabe legal in the sate but the state give's citys the right to make thier own laws as well.
    Cleveland Heights, Ohio municipal code 551.12 PROHIBITIONS AGAINST CARRYING A FIREARM SECTION B)No person, unless exempted by any of the provisions of this chapter, shall transport in any vehicle, or carry on or about his person upon the streets and public places of the City, any handgun or other firearm, unless such handgun or other firearm is at all times unloaded and encased.

    moral of the story know all laws that pertain to you fed.,state, county, town/city laws or one's you plan on driving though or visting with your gun its your responsibility.
    I agree with knowing the laws, but don't State gun laws preempt local laws in Ohio (HB-12 back in 2003)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    I agree with knowing the laws, but don't State gun laws preempt local laws in Ohio (HB-12 back in 2003)?
    Yes, Ohio State law preempts local law on guns. Not sure if that is the correct statute that you quote though. (but it prob is)

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