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  1. my spelling is very bad, i grew up with the crutch that is spell check everywhere and for that i am sorry. on topic, i have a great ammount of respect for anyone who protects and serves i just wish that they could better articulate their demands and occasionally obeyed the law. the gun issue has so many cultural implications, just the other day i asked my college friends what they would do if they were in a store and saw someone else wearing a gun and the overwhelming response was "freak out". as gun owners we need to, through our responsibility and good judgemnet, change the harts and minds of our fellow citizens and for gods sake, vote!

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    Just got back from summer trip, AZ, NM, CA home to Texas, while in Sedona, did open carry as well as NM, no problem had coffee with sheriff in AZ sitting out doors, he ask if he could share a table do to crowding no problem, also no problem from fact I was carrying on hip, during stop in CA the fact that I had an empty holster on my belt caused two State officers to ask if I had a gun again no problem it was in car and in compliance with CA law. Officer did mention should not wear holster to avoid panic, I explained I had just driven into the state and would remove the scary holster on arrival in Santa Monica as we were driving straight through after morning coffee. On return trip stopped by Border Patrol at checkpoint, dog hit on rent car, no problem again and officer only ask that I sit the gun on seat of car while dog checked (this I did), second officer ask if he could unload weapon, and I granted him permission again no problem, stopped a third time in Texas officer ask me to hand him weapon, after explanation on how to safe a single action colt 45 without shooting us or himself ( he waved gun over wife and I and himself) we proceeded with no problem, the CA stop officers were more concerned with empty holster than the two stops in Texas and no problem at all with AZ. It is just going to be a function of knowledge and information that will keep the 2nd amendment alive, my personal opinion is the 2nd amendment protects the rest of the amendments. God Bless America

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    Smile Ordered to ground.....

    Reading Nightmare 45's comments indicated to me that common courtesy was used in his dealings with law enforclement personnel. He apparently was not confrontational and there was no need for him to be so. The law enforcement personnel did their job, he reciprocated in a manner appropriate for the situation and all was well. Couldn't ask for things to have been better. To me, this is a classic example of how things should have worked. Kudos to you, Nightmare 45.

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    If all this guy did was go out and provoke a confrontation I don't see the point. What was actually accomplished ? How did this encounter further RKBA?

    Do you really think that cop is going to stop harrassing open carriers because of this?

    And as always he's talking entirely too much to the cops.

    Are you detaining me officer, or am I free to go?

    Cop: You are being detained.

    I have nothing to say w/ out speaking to a lawyer


    PS I wan't to know what happened after the audio cut
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    If all this guy did was go out and provoke a confrontation I don't see the point. What was actually accomplished ? How did this encounter further RKBA?

    Do you really think that cop is going to stop harrassing open carriers because of this?

    And as always he's talking entirely too much to the cops.

    Are you detaining me officer, or am I free to go?

    Cop: You are being detained.

    I have nothing to say w/ out speaking to a lawyer


    PS I wan't to know what happened after the audio cut
    The case was settled for an undisclosed amount provided they institute an educational policy training their law enforcement officials on Ohio Firearm laws. I'm sure the "victim" donated the proceeds of this lawsuit to an organization that would continue to fight for our 2nd amendment rights...because it wasn't just for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    Steve, I am a supporter of the Constitution and its amendments, especially the Second Amendment. I have carried weapons all my life and have been licensed in several states. I have owned (and still do) many guns in my life and will continue to do so. I will not, however, try to instigate a confrontation on the street with a police officer just to prove a point. I am not a fashion policeman but a persons appearance on the street does have an effect on how you view them. That and his demeanor should give rise to caution in a situation where he is openly displaying a firearm. This man could have been a psycho for all the policeman knew. Maybe you should join a ride along group with your local police department to get the view from their side of the fence. There can be horse's rear ends on a police force and, conversely, there are a great many in the civilian populace. I will do everything I can to protect my rights under the Second Amendment but I refuse to act stupidly and have a confrontation with a police officer and possibly get shot. There is an old saying, "Discretion is the better part of valor." I will keep my rights to carry my weapon but my battle for that right will be done with civility and not through a confrontation that will make me look like a horse's rear end as well as other like minded people. Also, I am a firm supporter of law enforcement personnel and had a little law enforcement training myself about 50 years ago. If they make a mistake, I will not hesitate to make an issue of it but in a civilized manner. I have a daughter and son-in-law out in your part of the country and he is one of those law enforcement officers who have had a bounty placed on their heads by the Mexican cartel so I am keenly interested in everything to do with the Second Amendment.
    The man could have been a psycho? Gee, I've seen lot's of folks who could have been psycho's. Should the police be allowed to stop and search them, to make sure they aren't carrying a dangerous weapon? I think you need to give some serious thought to what abilities you want to grant to the police. I don't want a police state. It won't make me or you safer.
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    maybejim,

    You seem to have missed a line or two in the original post. This guy WAS carrying a weapon. He (the cop)didn't search him to see if he had a weapon. It was in plain sight. I am sensing that this thread is starting to paint law enforcement as evil people. I am sorry but I don't see them that way. You can find a horse's rear end in any profession, police included, but they have a job to do. The are bitched at for doing their job and bitched at for not doing their job. It is all in how one perceives their action and how it pertains to them individually. I would be curious to know if there are any law enforcement personnel who are reading or who have read any of the comments of this thread and would care to comment on it from their perspective. Maybe they could enlighten us. Anyone care to try?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    maybejim,

    You seem to have missed a line or two in the original post. This guy WAS carrying a weapon. He (the cop)didn't search him to see if he had a weapon. It was in plain sight. I am sensing that this thread is starting to paint law enforcement as evil people. I am sorry but I don't see them that way. You can find a horse's rear end in any profession, police included, but they have a job to do. The are bitched at for doing their job and bitched at for not doing their job. It is all in how one perceives their action and how it pertains to them individually. I would be curious to know if there are any law enforcement personnel who are reading or who have read any of the comments of this thread and would care to comment on it from their perspective. Maybe they could enlighten us. Anyone care to try?
    I know the guy was carrying a weapon. It was not against the law. The cop took it on his own to assume that he was a bad guy even though he had not observed anything illegal. He acted as an ass. Now there are many reasonable good cops. There are also a bunch who are not. Either we have a right to carry or we don't have a Constitution. I wouldn't carry Openly but as long as it is legal, I will defend it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    I know the guy was carrying a weapon. It was not against the law. The cop took it on his own to assume that he was a bad guy even though he had not observed anything illegal. He acted as an ass. Now there are many reasonable good cops. There are also a bunch who are not. Either we have a right to carry or we don't have a Constitution. I wouldn't carry Openly but as long as it is legal, I will defend it.
    Yes, you are correct, it is not against the law but it may have been suspect. A few thing on the tape could give me reason to suspect:

    1. The Police were responding to a call about a man walking around with a gun.
    2. The cop asked the individual where was he coming from & where was he going?


    Since we don't know the contents of the actual call to the Police we can't definitively say but, because the cop asks him where is going, & where did he come from? it appears the 911 call could have said "there is a guy with a gun walking back & forth" to me that would be suspicious. I would not like it if someone kept walking by my house over & over armed. It looks like he's either stalking or casing the joint.
    That said, the female officer in the tape shows her ABSOLUTE ignorance of the law as written. She tells the person "You can't openly carry" The more she spoke the more stupid she sounded. In her early appearance she comes off like Ru Paul with her high & mighty empowered woman attitude (oh no you di'int) Guess she watched to many episodes of Good Times as a kid.
    She needed to be sent back to the Police Academy for retraining.
    The cops were responding to a call, if the dispatcher had dismissed the caller by saying "sorry ma'am it's not illegal" and the gun owner turns out to be a stalker who kills a resident on that block, people would be in an uproar. It's just like when someone calls because the music is too loud...the cops have to investigate, especially in an area where it is uncommon to open carry.

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    1. The cop asked the individual where was he coming from & where was he going?
It's none of the cop's business where he was coming from or where he was going. He might investigate the legal status of carrying the gun (I don't know the law for that state but if it's state legal open carry, he has no business investigating at all).

I would not like it if someone kept walking by my house over & over armed. It looks like he's either stalking or casing the joint.

Nor would I with or without a gun, but I don't think this was in a residential area. If the cop wants to investigate "suspicious activity" then perhaps he has a right but that has nothing to do with legal carrying of a gun.

That said, the female officer in the tape shows her ABSOLUTE ignorance of the law as written. She tells the person "You can't openly carry" The more she spoke the more stupid she sounded. In her early appearance she comes off like Ru Paul with her high & mighty empowered woman attitude (oh no you di'int)

Indeed.

if the dispatcher had dismissed the caller by saying "sorry ma'am it's not illegal" and the gun owner turns out to be a stalker who kills a resident on that block, people would be in an uproar.

Which is exactly why where "open carry" is legal it should be practiced. Ignorance and stupidity of the people needs be addressed.

It's just like when someone calls because the music is too loud...the cops have to investigate,

Too loud music (during certain hours) is illegal. There is a big difference.
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