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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kbv View Post
    Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a social organization, like Knights of Columbus or the local country club, consisting of [I]citizens[I] sharing a common interest: firearm safety. No maneuvers, no LE, just a group that meets a couple times a month to discuss gun safety, laws, etc, and possibly do some shooting. Have a guset speaker from the NRA, LE, Handguns Inc. (defusing the "us against them" mindset), hopefully with the cooperstion of local LE. Already thought about possible ramifications; LE knowing who has what, that sort of thing, bu if you are a legitimate gun owner, they probably already know anyway.

    The goal is to provide an alternative view of the much-demonized "gun nut", dressed in camo, arguing the 2nd Ammendment with anyone who will listen, skulking around in search of someone to shoot and get away with it. The group I have in mind could sponsor public gun safety seminars, perhaps even working with the schools in some capacity. The major focus would be on gun safety and responsible use/ownership. No "tactical field training, public demonstrations, keep it as a-politcal as possible. Perhaps an occassional letter to the paper, carefully written so as not to alarm the dis-armers.

    If we are going to keep our guns legally, we dare not sit on our haunches and wait for someone else to win the battle. We need to show the avrage gun owner as they really are; the next-door-neighbor, football coach, accountant, EMT, doctor, and so on, not just the Freemen of Montana, Hinkleys and Chapmans, and gang-bangers. We need to take a firm stance against vigilanteism, armed citizens patrolling the neighborhoods, and so on. We have police, etc, for that.

    I have sworn to uphold the Constitution and protect our country from all enemies, outside or in. That doesn't mean I am going to, at any point, declare "open season" on criminals, corrupt politicians, et al. The rule "Never surrender your piece" has one exception: I will allow a duly-appointed law enforcement officer, on request, temporary control of my weapon, no sass, back-talk, or 2nd Amendment lectures. I do not care for all the laws on the books, and i know there are plenty of :bad cops"; however, when they put on their uniform, don their badge, and go into harm's way as a way of life, I have to respect not only their courage, but also their right to do their job with the least amount of danger possible.

    I have always been told, when asked to surrender my weapon, that it is for my own safety. I believe it, because if the roles were reversed, that would be my policy. who in their right mind would run a wants and warrants check on a person they know to be armed? If you come up clean, they have to give it back; if you are not comfortable in a situation, request a field supervisor be present. 99% of the police I have dealt with return respect with respect, attitude with attitude, and hostility with concern for their lives. They will not hesitate to use force to ensure their safety, which could very well jeapardize your own.

    I believe the thing we, as responsible gun owners, need to do is to "de-scarify" ourselves. Show the non- and anti-gunners that, as a group, we are not much different than they, other than we have made the decision to follow the Constitution. The only way to accomplish this is through education and example. If 'Jorac Obamden" get their way, the popint will be moot in under four years; not a lot of time to undo generations of horror stories, inflated statistics, and the general "loose cannon" stigma that goes with owning a handgun and being willing to use it.

    One last thing: ammo has gotten pretty scarce most places, and what good is a firearm without anything to fire from it? Write letters to Congress (be extremely careful how you word them), newspapers, etc, voicing your opinion on this matter. Word I've gotten is Obamden put a new policy into effect, forbidding the sale of used military brass to ammunition manufacturers. at this point, that is all I know, and I can't swear to it. Have been, and will continue to look for verification; have not found any yet. Something is going on, though. There are almost no bullets available online; temporarily out of stock, the say. And I can not find a box of primers anywhere. If there's nothing to shoot available, what good is a firearm? The all-out attack on the 2nd Amendment has begun; make no mistake. These people are doing their best to start a "revolution" that we cannot win; all they need do is stop the supply of oil. Stores will be empty within a week (ammo the first day), and how many of us have gardens or the skills necessary to survive without gas and electricity?

    Thank you for taking the time to read this rather long message. What you do next is up to you. I am keeping my own counsel on my plans.
    Well said...you took the words right out of my mouth here. I wholly agree with your premise of making responsible gun owners "less scary"..( scary..an overused word for "cute fear). I have arvived at the conclusion that a vast majority is so underinformed when it comes to firearms and folks who own and use them,lawfully. It's the wack jobs,and their tragic results that garner the headlines and evening news. THAT is what Joe Citizen sees.It's up to us to clean and maintain our true image,and to make our true selves and motives know to the public at large. Take care. :D

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    We will never seem less scary to the left. To them we are mouth-breathing, racist troglodytes who would leave grandma without a pension and deprive children of milk as we polish our "assaullt" rifles and dream of killing every ethnic minority on the planet - the very planet we are plotting to pollute and destroy because of our greedy, capatalist, imperialist policies.

    The only thing forming a private militia would get you is a trip to Federal court.
    Avidshooter (Texas)
    "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits." -- Plutarch

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    We will never seem less scary to the left. To them we are mouth-breathing, racist troglodytes who would leave grandma without a pension and deprive children of milk as we polish our "assaullt" rifles and dream of killing every ethnic minority on the planet - the very planet we are plotting to pollute and destroy because of our greedy, capatalist, imperialist policies.

    Not too sure about that. My political views lean to the left, and I'm a die-hard gun-rights advocate. You don't seem scary to me at all.

    Oh, and by the way, why are you trying to get rid of my grandma's pension and my kid's milk? :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayven View Post
    Oh, and by the way, why are you trying to get rid of my grandma's pension and my kid's milk? :)
    Because eventually, rayven, the government will run out of other people's money. They already have...and that is why socialism never works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNBlackjack View Post
    Because eventually, rayven, the government will run out of other people's money. They already have...and that is why socialism never works.

    Wait! You mean the government does not have a money tree in Washington that they get their money from?
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  7. It's been done before. They were all indicted last week. If you're assembled into a group and like guns and don't like obummer, then you are considered by the gub'mint to be a threat to the "security of our nation".





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    Quote Originally Posted by rayven View Post
    Not too sure about that. My political views lean to the left, and I'm a die-hard gun-rights advocate. You don't seem scary to me at all.

    Oh, and by the way, why are you trying to get rid of my grandma's pension and my kid's milk? :)
    Well Rayven if you are concerned about grandma's pension and your kid's mike, no one is stopping you from dipping into your pocket and shelling out some bucks instead of taking other peoples money to redistribute the wealth. Not the governments job to provide a social safety net.
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    Well Rayven if you are concerned about grandma's pension and your kid's mike, no one is stopping you from dipping into your pocket and shelling out some bucks instead of taking other peoples money to redistribute the wealth. Not the governments job to provide a social safety net.
    Obviously, you didn't get the sarcasm in that snippet of my response, and I'm not going to get sucked into a political debate. This is not the correct forum for things not relating to guns. The key element was that "the left" is not the problem when it comes to pro/anti gun. Individual people believe various things. I personally lean to the left of the political spectrum, and I am very much in favor of my 2A (and section 21 of my state's constitution) rights to keep and bear arms.

    Relegating the gun issue to a right vs. left battle leaves the real arguments in the dirt. A friend of mine is VERY far on the left, hates all Republicans and everything they stand for - except gun control. If you are arguing gun rights and keep it on political ideology lines, you would alienate those who would help your side - like me and my friend.

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