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    A citizen who shirks his duty to contribute to the security of his community is little better than the criminal who threatens it.

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    68.6% Yes it's a right. 31.4% No it's to provocative. You know MSNBC isn't expecting that kind of results.

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    And now this from Jesse Jackson:

    Time for limits on packing in public :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Jesse Jackson

    In New Hampshire and Arizona, men openly packing guns came to an event where the president was speaking. In Arizona, one man brandished an assault rifle, a rifle designed for only one thing: killing human beings. Now, it turns out, the men packing the guns at the president's speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Phoenix were responding to calls by a right-wing radio host who sought to organize people with guns near the president to make a political point.

    No one should take this lightly. As reported on the Rachel Maddow show, the radio host who packed a pistol himself to the Phoenix event once helped with public relations for a group that was formed to defend a violent militia group known as the Vipers. Twelve members of the Viper Militia, opposed to what they called the "New World Order," were charged in 1996 with plotting to blow up at least seven government buildings.

    As Frank Rich suggested in the New York Times, a surge in hate groups has taken place previously when a liberal has been elected. The rabid right preached that John Kennedy, the first Catholic elected president, would take orders from the pope, and was soft on communism and blacks. A crescendo of hate speech and threats to the president culminated, tragically, in Dallas.

    Now all the elements are present once more. The Great Recession has generated fear and insecurity. The right is angry at losing the election. Death threats against the president have soared, with Barack Obama feared as the first African-American president, and denounced as literally un-American, a foreign-born socialist Muslim about to sell out the country.

    The difference between now and the 1960s and 1990s is our gun laws are even weaker. The ban on assault weapons expired under George Bush, and the Congress has been too cowed by the National Rifle Association to revive it, despite the urgings of police across the country. Laws making it legal to take guns to public events -- like a presidential speech -- have been passed in states across the country.

    What we are witnessing is a dangerous and toxic mixture of hate groups and laws that allow them to carry guns, even to a presidential event.

    Any public figure -- athlete, celebrity, CEO, politician -- accepts the risks that come with appearing in public. Presidents, inevitably the center of controversy and often the fixation of the unbalanced, are particularly at risk. Our Secret Service is professional and skilled, but they understand how hard it is to stop someone packing a gun on a rope line.

    There is simply no defense against assault weapons.

    Too often, the Secret Service is helpless in the face of AK-47s, M-16s, Uzis and other assault weapons. The president is left defenseless -- as are any other officials at town hall meetings.

    With these weapons, defense is a pretense.

    We are headed to an unspeakable horror. It is time to step back from the brink before it is too late. Society must draw sensible lines. All responsible public officials and media commentators should add their voices to condemn those who suggest violence -- directly or symbolically -- toward those with whom they disagree. People like the radio hosts who urge listeners to bring guns to a presidential event should be rebuked. Laws enabling the whole Wild West fantasy of packing guns publicly should be repealed, but at the very least we need a national law that makes it illegal to bring guns to events featuring public officials.

    The haters, the paranoid, the wingnuts have made their presence known. Now it is up to the rest of us to make it clear that bringing guns to a presidential town hall is simply and unequivocally unacceptable. We've seen a doctor murdered in Kansas; a guard shot down at the Holocaust Museum and, as the Homeland Security Department warns, the extremes are once more on the rise. We need to hear from the responsible voices and the responsible leaders now, not after the next tragedy.
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

    Benjamin Franklin

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    68.7% yes

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    68.8%vs.31.2%
    Let every soul be subject unto the [U.S. Constitution.] For there is no [Constitution] but of God: the [Constitution] that be [is] ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the [Constitution], resisteth the ordinance of God:American Romans Ch.13v1-7 C.Baldwin

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    As of my viewing, it's 69.5 in favor of freedom.

    That spin-laden article from the Chicago Sun-Times is a load of crap. The guard at the Holocaust museum? He was armed and stopped the attack by shooting back. Claims that the Secret Service is helpless. Nonsense.

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    Sixty percent of the time it works every time.
    My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

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    I hate quoting Jessie Jackson, or even acknowledging that he and I were born in the same state.

    Mr. Jackson says,
    The difference between now and the 1960s and 1990s is our gun laws are even weaker.
    Except that the Gun Control Act of 1968, the most sweeping gun control law that effects every aspect of gun ownership and commerce didn't pass untill, you guessed it 1968.

    Mr. Jackson also says,
    Too often, the Secret Service is helpless...
    Huhh?!?

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    Always the BG's!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Booga View Post
    As of my viewing, it's 69.5 in favor of freedom.

    That spin-laden article from the Chicago Sun-Times is a load of crap. The guard at the Holocaust museum? He was armed and stopped the attack by shooting back. Claims that the Secret Service is helpless. Nonsense.
    No matter what we do as law-abiding citizens, the bad guys are ALWAYS packing. I don't understand...it all just seems like it's backwards/upside down. I just don't understand the mentalities of those in power. Guns will always be here. And we all have a responsibility to use good judgement in their handling. Seems like that's all that one can ask.

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