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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kenochs View Post
    We have rights, but also responsibilities.
    I consider it part of my responsibilities to exercise my rights. Which includes keeping my private and lawful affairs and possession private when the law does not require me to notify. My lawful possession of a firearm is none of any police officer's business unless engaged in a legal investigation which directly involves my firearm in some way.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    Depends what State you live in and what their requirements are. In NC, YES, you must identify your a CWP holder if the officer identifies him/her self as a LEO.
    The state you live in is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is the state (and it's laws) you are in at the moment.
    While many claim to support the right, precious few support the practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCTom View Post
    In PA if you have a pulse, $50 and a clean record you get the permit. Whether you know which end of the gun to hold matters not. If you're carrying anywhere it is YOUR responsibility to know the laws of the jurisdiction you're in. Pleading ignorance isn't an option especially concerning carrying a firearm. FWIW, I'm telling the LEO even if I don't have to.
    That's $20, throughout the state of PA. Which you might already know if you knew which end of a gun to hold.
    Apparently, in PA we trust our citizens to know this, among other things, like the meaning of freedom, and "...shall not be infringed".
    Shame you didn't pick up on that during your stay here.
    While many claim to support the right, precious few support the practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twage View Post
    The cost of CCP is $20 in Allegheny County. Just to let you know.
    In PA, it's not a CCP, it's a LTCF, just to let you know.

    Note: I broadcast the city I live in (Pittsburgh, PA) which is in Allegheny County (in fact the County Sheriff's office is on Grant St. in Pittsburgh), and I'm well aware it costs $20 for five years as I had posted in post #18, right before your #19 post. I'm assuming your post was directed toward me since you used the word "you" right after my post. If you were directing it to someone else, now you both know.
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    It strikes me as one of the weirdest compulsions amongst CC'ers that it's considered "respectful" or "responsible" to inform cops of information that is none of their legal business to be made aware of. Of course, this only applies in jurisdictions that don't require notification, which my state doesn't, and I know that many don't. I would like to ask the people promulgating the idea that it is respectful or responsible to inform when there's no legal requirement to do so, to tell me what the difference is between an "official" contact and a casual or unintentional contact with a cop is while you're carrying a weapon? If it's respectful and/or responsible to inform when they initiate an official contact, why would it not be just as respectful and/or responsible to inform them if they're taking their lunch break in the booth right next to you at Denny's? Think about it. The only possible "respect" or "responsibility" that enures to a cop's benefit during a stop is that they are in close proximity to you, a very peaceful, responsible CC'er who has no intention of drawing down and/or shooting the cop who is sharing your space for the duration of the stop, and you're just trying to set their mind at ease that that is true, right? What's different if they are sitting in very close proximity to you in just some naturally-occurring casual contact? Actually, the difference is fairly stark in many such situations. During a stop, their senses are on heightened alert. While eating their Grand Slam breakfast, they're sitting in a booth in a tactically-compromised position where they're paying less attention to their surroundings, it's harder to defend themselves, harder to deploy Tasers, pepper spray or their firearm if needed. If it's respectful and responsible to inform them when a CC'er is in close proximity during a stop, it would seem to me to be even more respectful and responsible when you just casually share space with them during normal every-day, unofficial contact.

    So where am I going wrong? Or more to the point, where are you going wrong if you're not informing cops of your carry status every time you see one in close proximity to you? And if you are informing in such circumstances, how's that working out for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    ... Tell me what the difference is between an "official" contact and a casual or unintentional contact with a cop is while you're carrying a weapon? If it's respectful and/or responsible to inform when they initiate an official contact, why would it not be just as respectful and/or responsible to inform them if they're taking their lunch break in the booth right next to you at Denny's?
    Blues
    I can't speak for the rest of the responses, but I see a big difference between being stopped or approached by a cop and being questioned about a police matter, versus simply being in close proximity by chance. I would, out of courtesy, if if stopped or questioned by LE disclose that I am carrying. But I'm not going to just walk up to a random cop and say "Hey, I'm packing". That's just silly.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kenochs View Post
    I would, out of courtesy, if if stopped or questioned by LE disclose that I am carrying. But I'm not going to just walk up to a random cop and say "Hey, I'm packing". That's just silly.
    To me both actions are equally silly: informing a police officer of my permit and gun, regardless of if I am just in close proximity to the officer or if he has stopped me for an official reason, when there is no requirement to do so by law and when my gun is completely irrelevant to the reason stopped.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    In Michigan, yes. If you are stopped by a LEO you must immediately disclose if you are carrying, whether on your person or in your vehicle.

    MSP - Proper Conduct During Encounters with Police

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenochs View Post
    I would, out of courtesy, if if stopped or questioned by LE disclose that I am carrying. But I'm not going to just walk up to a random cop and say "Hey, I'm packing". That's just silly.
    you could just pee on yourself to indicate your submission to authority

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenochs View Post
    As an act of good faith, I would always disclose a firearm to LE if I am stopped. I do not currently CC, but I am applying for my permit. If the cop turns out to be a douche, than so be it. But I will act responsibly at all times.

    We have rights, but also responsibilities.
    Been carrying since 1978 (35 years). I've had permission slips in three different states, none of which required disclosure. I'm well aware of my responsibilities, and spontaneously telling anyone what personal property I have in my pockets, waistband, strapped to my ankle or attached to my belt ain't one of 'em. I have, exercise and protect my rights, and there is no "but" following that statement, and never will be.

    And by the way, if a cop is a "douche," he's one whether you disclose or not, and disclosure is just as likely to throw his douchebaggery into overdrive as just shutting your mouth, letting him write you up for whatever he pulled you over for, and getting out of there without adding anything more for him to judge you about to the mix.

    Quote Originally Posted by kenochs View Post
    I can't speak for the rest of the responses, but I see a big difference between being stopped or approached by a cop and being questioned about a police matter, versus simply being in close proximity by chance. I would, out of courtesy, if if stopped or questioned by LE disclose that I am carrying. But I'm not going to just walk up to a random cop and say "Hey, I'm packing". That's just silly.
    As NavyLCDR said, no sillier than thinking your permission slip is going to make you look "responsible" or "respectful" to a cop that has no legal right to that information. And as has been established, there is no obligation to disclose in the state in which you live.

    Instead of just dismissing my question as "silly" though, how about answering it logically? The only conceivable reason you would think it "respectful" or "responsible" to inform them during an official contact is that they're cops who have a dangerous job yada yada yada, and you have this inexplicable idea that them knowing you're carrying is going to set their mind at ease that you 1), respect them, and 2), are perfectly responsible. They have the same dangerous job when they're just casually in close proximity to you, so logically, they "deserve" the same respect and responsibility. Where is the logical "silliness" in that?

    The other way around is true though. It is silly to bring your gun into your conversations and/or official/casual contacts with them all the time, unless, again as NavyLCDR said, your weapon has some bearing on the reason you're in a contact with them.

    I wrote about a contact I had with cops in my own backyard just a few nights ago. As always, if I'm dressed, I'm armed. Read that post and tell me how it would've helped either the cop or me to disclose that I had a full-sized .45 with a flashlight/laser attached under my un-tucked shirt. The only other two contacts I've had with LEOs for more than 10 years were two stops at DUI check-points, which piss me off to no end anyway as I view them as blatant violations of my 4th Amendment rights. The last thing any of the cops at those two stops would've wanted was for my PO'ed attitude to be combined with, "Oh, by the way, here's my permission slip and I'm armed to the teeth!"

    I really do wonder how responsible anyone who has as many contacts with cops as those who say "I always disclose" is to begin with. Most of my life, I've driven as part of my job(s), so I guess I have always had a vested interest in driving like Gramps did, but even taking into account how many times I've had involuntary contacts with cops over my entire life, and I still don't think it's more than double the three I've mentioned here in this post. Bunch o' desperadoes populating this website lately! LOL

    Blues
    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

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