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  1. I am a resident of NJ. I hold a non-resident Utah permit. As of 7/11/2014, PA does not accept non-resident Utah permits (among others...). I want to apply for a non-resident PA permit but I get conflicting information. One source told me it's the same as applying for a resident permit (except for the fee amount). Other source told me that since NJ has a "may issue" CCW permit program, PA requires that I submit a copy of my NJ CCW permit along with the rest of the PA CCW application paperwork. Which is correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilbert08 View Post
    I am a resident of NJ. I hold a non-resident Utah permit. As of 7/11/2014, PA does not accept non-resident Utah permits (among others...). I want to apply for a non-resident PA permit but I get conflicting information. One source told me it's the same as applying for a resident permit (except for the fee amount). Other source told me that since NJ has a "may issue" CCW permit program, PA requires that I submit a copy of my NJ CCW permit along with the rest of the PA CCW application paperwork. Which is correct?
    I am unaware of any difference is fees, $20. The license is the same. It is a PA LTCF for short, there is no non resident license, the only non resident part is the person holding it. The difference in the process is that PA statutes do require you to have a carry license/permit from your home state, provided your state issues them, and NJ does however rare that happens to be.

    I have heard rumors that some, or maybe one, PA sheriff issues to NJ residents without a NJ permit, but I have no knowledge as to the truth of this. It sounds a bit spectacular as it is in violation of PA law.

    There is a bill in our House for PA to accept all his permits held by nonresidents. It would be nice, and good for business, if this should pass, but we are not there yet.
    While many claim to support the right, precious few support the practice.

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    Thanks for the responses and apologies for just now seeing them. though born and raised in PA, I don't get back to PA very much now after my sister moved to Montana. I appreciate the info provided.

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    Just heard today that Lancaster County Sheriffs Office will no longer be issuing PA non-resident concealed carry permits. What's up with that? They were the place to go for most people in Delaware, Northeastern Maryland, and Eastern Shore Virginia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SR9 View Post
    Just heard today that Lancaster County Sheriffs Office will no longer be issuing PA non-resident concealed carry permits. What's up with that? They were the place to go for most people in Delaware, Northeastern Maryland, and Eastern Shore Virginia.

    Apparently the new policy cause quite a stir. This screen shot was taken from Facebook and has been making the rounds across multiple forums...




    The policy against non-resident CC Licenses has already been taken down!

    Sheriff?s Office | Lancaster County, PA - Official Website

    Now THAT'S service!
    While many claim to support the right, precious few support the practice.

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    If this is a legit posting from Sheriff Reese, then hats off to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SR9 View Post
    If this is a legit posting from Sheriff Reese, then hats off to him.
    Check his website, it's already been updated. That's why I posted a link to it. ;)

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    While many claim to support the right, precious few support the practice.

  10. Does PA recognize nonresident NH carry permits? I live in Mass., and have a Mass LTC with "Restrictions: None", plus a nonresident New Hampshire Pistol & Revolver License allowing me to CC in NH. (I also have NR carry license in Maine, but that's probably irrelevant to this discussion.)

    This is the actual reciprocity agreement, and the language seems kind of vague as to whether NR NH permits will be honored.

    The preamble to the agreement says:

    "WHEREAS, the purpose of this Reciprocity Agreement is to extend reciprocal concealed firearm carry permit/license privileges to the citizens of the State of New Hampshire and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania,..."

    But, the first paragraph of the body says,

    "The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will recognize valid New Hampshire permits to carry concealed firearms by valid permit holders while said permit holders are present in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania."

    And the third paragraph states,

    "This Reciprocity Agreement applies only to the carrying of firearms by valid license/permit holders from respective states and not to any other types of weapons."

    Okay, so, third paragraph: does that refer to a *person* from New Hampshire, or to a person holding a carry permit issued by the State of NH regardless of where the person is from? And the preamble, which mentions "citizens of NH" would seem to be in conflict with the first paragraph, which recognizes all permits issued by NH.

    Halp.

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    If you look at the entire agreement, the enumerated paragraphs define the agreement between NH and PA. Enumerated paragraph 1, states that permit holders from NH (with no regards to their citizenship) are considered valid while carrying in PA as long as their permits are valid. You're good to go. Also, check out the reciprocity maps here on this site. They concur with this interpretation of the reading as well.

    The paragraph that mentions citizenship explains why the two states entered into a reciprocal agreement in the first place, to extend reciprocity between the citizens of both states... great, but what is covered in the agreement is within the enumerated paragraphs. When states put limitations to only citizens from the state the permit is issued, they will make it very clear in the verbiage of the agreement

    I hope this helps... and as always, I am not a lawyer, and my statements should not be ruled the letter of law. If this answer does not satiate you, please contact a lawyer.


    Quote Originally Posted by rivet_42 View Post
    Does PA recognize nonresident NH carry permits? I live in Mass., and have a Mass LTC with "Restrictions: None", plus a nonresident New Hampshire Pistol & Revolver License allowing me to CC in NH. (I also have NR carry license in Maine, but that's probably irrelevant to this discussion.)

    This is the actual reciprocity agreement, and the language seems kind of vague as to whether NR NH permits will be honored.

    The preamble to the agreement says:

    "WHEREAS, the purpose of this Reciprocity Agreement is to extend reciprocal concealed firearm carry permit/license privileges to the citizens of the State of New Hampshire and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania,..."

    But, the first paragraph of the body says,

    "The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will recognize valid New Hampshire permits to carry concealed firearms by valid permit holders while said permit holders are present in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania."

    And the third paragraph states,

    "This Reciprocity Agreement applies only to the carrying of firearms by valid license/permit holders from respective states and not to any other types of weapons."

    Okay, so, third paragraph: does that refer to a *person* from New Hampshire, or to a person holding a carry permit issued by the State of NH regardless of where the person is from? And the preamble, which mentions "citizens of NH" would seem to be in conflict with the first paragraph, which recognizes all permits issued by NH.

    Halp.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin (maybe)

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