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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrs View Post
    Yeah, about that. I called a couple of my long time friends to let them know I would be listing them as references. Both immediately said OK, no problem. Neither live in PA, but do live in my county in NY.

    We walked in the door & I submitted my application to the Deputy, who took my Drivers License and NY Pistol Permit and photocopied them. He proceeded to his desk in my full sight... made no phone calls, but did type my info into the computer (apparently for my background check)... a few minutes later, came back to the counter, handed my paperwork to the other Deputy working the desk, who after taking my wife's photo and handing her permit to her (without ever placing a phone call or leaving the front desk), simply told me to "stand in the box on the floor and look at the camera". In about 30 seconds, my printed permit was handed to me and I was directed to a table near the exit door with info and books on PA gun laws & was told to take one of each. DONE. The whole process took about 5 to 10 minutes for both of us... including waiting for another person who got there before us to be processed.

    We got in the car and looked at each other in amazement at how easy and quick it was!
    I'm glad you got your licenses from PA easily. I know in NY it's a PITA.

    However, rather than be amazed, please be ticked off that you had to wait in line and ask and pay a government official for permission to exercise a right.

    Less people need to be amazed, and more people need to be fired up.

    Nobody would be OK with having to ask permission and pay for the right to worship in the church of their choice, yet we seem OK, even amazed, when we go through this process for carrying a firearm.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin (maybe)

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jrs View Post
    Yeah, about that. I called a couple of my long time friends to let them know I would be listing them as references. Both immediately said OK, no problem. Neither live in PA, but do live in my county in NY.

    We walked in the door & I submitted my application to the Deputy, who took my Drivers License and NY Pistol Permit and photocopied them. He proceeded to his desk in my full sight... made no phone calls, but did type my info into the computer (apparently for my background check)... a few minutes later, came back to the counter, handed my paperwork to the other Deputy working the desk, who after taking my wife's photo and handing her permit to her (without ever placing a phone call or leaving the front desk), simply told me to "stand in the box on the floor and look at the camera". In about 30 seconds, my printed permit was handed to me and I was directed to a table near the exit door with info and books on PA gun laws & was told to take one of each. DONE. The whole process took about 5 to 10 minutes for both of us... including waiting for another person who got there before us to be processed.

    We got in the car and looked at each other in amazement at how easy and quick it was!
    Now when you say NY pistol permit is that a CCW or just a permit to buy a pistol? Because I have something similar to that and that's a FID( Firearms Identification card). I was of the understanding that PA would only give you a PA non res if you had a CCW from your home state or you were a right denied state.

  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by njsportsman View Post
    Now when you say NY pistol permit is that a CCW or just a permit to buy a pistol? Because I have something similar to that and that's a FID( Firearms Identification card). I was of the understanding that PA would only give you a PA non res if you had a CCW from your home state or you were a right denied state.
    Our permits are "unrestricted" which allows us to carry concealed. In NY, it's up to the judge who signs off on the permit to restrict the permit to "Hunting & Target" which allows you to transport your handgun to and from the range or to and from hunting (unloaded during transport) or "Unrestricted", which allows concealed carry.

    I only recently became aware that NY is a "must issue" state when it comes to home defense, so I'm not sure how the permit reads. That was based on statements made by a well known 2A attorney on a local radio station during a discussion about the Safe Act. In NY, it is illegal to even hold or handle a handgun without a NY Pistol Permit, AND we are required to list serial numbers on our permits. That means if I don't have my wife's gun on my permit, and I am in possession of her gun, then I am considered to "illegally possess" a firearm, so we have all of our handguns on both permits.

    As for PA's issuance of Non-Resident permits... yes, you are correct that they will only issue a Non-Resident permit if you have one in your home state. My question to you earlier about NJ was whether you were actually denied a permit or if you just assumed you'd be denied. My point was....if you didn't apply, you should! Further, if, as affirmed by the SCOTUS, an outright denial of rights is not Constitutional (ei. Illinois & DC), then NJ must have some type of permit in place to allow you to "possess" a handgun for home defense. In that case, you might be able first and foremost...own a handgun for your own protection in you home, but then, if you have a permit in NJ (even though restricted), it might then allow you to present that as the required permit from your home state in order to obtain the PA permit. You would have to stow the weapon while transporting it in NJ, but MAY be able to carry in PA....just a thought.
    I'd check with attorneys in NJ and PA.... but in either case, I'd still be trying to get my NJ permit, 'cause if you don't at least apply, they've already won.

  5. Thanks jrs I did answer you. Anyway I haven't applied for CCW because of what I've read and heard through conversations. I have a NJ FID card which is a Firearms ID card. That card allows me to buy firearms and transport from range or hunting grounds but, I need a handgun permit for every handgun I purchase and once I purchase the handgun or 180 days expire the handgun permit is no longer valid.

  6. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by njsportsman View Post
    Thanks jrs I did answer you. Anyway I haven't applied for CCW because of what I've read and heard through conversations. I have a NJ FID card which is a Firearms ID card. That card allows me to buy firearms and transport from range or hunting grounds but, I need a handgun permit for every handgun I purchase and once I purchase the handgun or 180 days expire the handgun permit is no longer valid.
    Sorry, I either missed or misunderstood. I'd still give it a try. At least then, you can say you tried to exercise your Constitutional rights....maybe it'll give you an opportunity to appeal if denied "for cause".

    Good luck.

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    Wait, what? I did not hear about this. Am I not going to be able to renew my Utah non-res permit? Because that will really irk me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrs View Post
    Sorry, I either missed or misunderstood. I'd still give it a try. At least then, you can say you tried to exercise your Constitutional rights....maybe it'll give you an opportunity to appeal if denied "for cause".

    Good luck.
    The permission slip is the exact opposite of exercising a Constitutional Right...

    If he really wanted to fight for his Rights, he would be carrying now.

    OP, move to a Constitutional carry state.

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    ^^^^^^THIS!!!^^^^^^


    Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

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    If you have a PA LTCF apply for a Utah permit to be covered in other states that we can't otherwise as a PA permit holder.
    "Those who would trade liberty for security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
    "The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson".

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