Who Are The OathKeepers?
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    Who Are The OathKeepers?

    A CNN Report on the oath keepers and it's actually rather unbiased.

    Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

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  3. As unbiased as CNN gets. Actually the whole series was like that, they kept saying how normal and average the people in the militias, doing all these crazy things, are. I was suprised, I expected to have to throw things at the tv.
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    Actually, I found the CNN Piece deplorable & deliberately subtle in attempting to subliminally downplay any reason for the Oath Keepers to exist...

    Moreover, they repeatedly made deceptive references to the Patriot Movement, which is a appalling back door reference to Timothy McVey & Company.

    In addition, more of the same old tired song and dance blame W. Bush Syndrome; that Obummer & Company inherited this descent from W. Bush... basically, no descent could be attributed to dissatisfaction with the Socialist in Chief & Company...

    YouTube - Oath Keepers Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey

    Oath Keepers Blog Archive Declaration Of Orders We Will Not Obey

    I have decided to take the forum infiltrating, Obama loving toilets (jwtollett21) advice and say a prayer for Obama...
    I think Psalm 109:8 says it best...
    Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

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    What many don't realize is that when you take a military oath you swear to obey the "lawful" orders of those appointed above you. What does this mean? It means that if an order is morally or legally wrong you don't have to obey it. Yes if you refuse you may be court martialed but you can have a jury. This is nothing more than what the OathKeepers are swearing to do, obey the lawful orders. As an example, if an officer were to order his troops to shoot unarmed protesters this would be a morally and legally wrong order. It's one that I would take a chance on refusing.

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    CNN at it finest.
    Semper Fi

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    What many don't realize is that when you take a military oath you swear to obey the "lawful" orders of those appointed above you. What does this mean? It means that if an order is morally or legally wrong you don't have to obey it. Yes if you refuse you may be court martialed but you can have a jury. This is nothing more than what the OathKeepers are swearing to do, obey the lawful orders. As an example, if an officer were to order his troops to shoot unarmed protesters this would be a morally and legally wrong order. It's one that I would take a chance on refusing.
    Ahem...

    Not the same Oath we took in the military...

    Watch the Oath Keepers & the CNN videos...

    They have sworn a oath to uphold the Constitution...

    They have intentionally omitted "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States" in their oath...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    An anti-Obama group is recruiting members from the military and law enforcement. CNN's Jim Acosta reports.
    Policies inherited from the Bush administration?

    Hardly unbiased! IMAO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Ahem...

    Not the same Oath we took in the military...

    Watch the Oath Keepers & the CNN videos...

    They have sworn a oath to uphold the Constitution...

    They have intentionally omitted "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States" in their oath...
    I didn't say it was the same oath. I said they were taking an oath to obey only lawful (Constitutional) orders. If they are an OathKeeper in the military they still must obey the orders of the president as long as they are lawful orders. An OathKeeper simply spells it out a bit more. Remember the Constitution makes the president the Commander In Chief of the military. This means they (at least the military members) must obey the presidents lawful orders. That is if you really want to protect the Constitution as written.

    FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Article II

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    I didn't say it was the same oath. I said they were taking an oath to obey only lawful (Constitutional) orders. If they are an OathKeeper in the military they still must obey the orders of the president as long as they are lawful orders. An OathKeeper simply spells it out a bit more. Remember the Constitution makes the president the Commander In Chief of the military. This means they (at least the military members) must obey the presidents lawful orders. That is if you really want to protect the Constitution as written.

    FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Article II
    Absolutely, as soon as we get a Constitutionally Eligible President I will...

    Either the Constitution Matters or it Does Not...

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    Bohemian, I've come to appreciate your bulldog approach to anything Obama. I expect nothing more than for you to be against anything he touches, talks about or even the air he breaths. However, until he is declared ineligible, he is the president. Not one I voted for or one who's policies I support (at least for the most part), but still the president. A president I sincerely hope is a one termer.

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