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    Right or privilege?

    You have to realize that it is a privilege to be allowed to write that novel and act accordingly. Where you go to church is also a privilege and one that is only available to you after a lengthy licensing process so don't do anything that puts the church in a bad light.

    You need to realize that you're lucky the government doesn't decide to quarter troops in your home. The defense budget is strained and the armed forces could buy more bullets if you had a few troops on your living room floor.

    Your right to a jury trial is in the hands of your local sheriff. If you want to have a jury trial make sure you commit an offense in a state that is more supportive of the 5th amendment.

    I've said all of the above to get to this...the right to keep and bear arms is a right. We should be able to carry concealed, openly, in our vehicles, and do so whenever we want. If we commit a crime while exercising that right we should face censure and lose that right just like someone that waives the right protecting us against self-incrimination, but not until then.

    What gets me is the fact that so many times I read threads where the author says things about the privilege to carry a firearm or defines their own limits to what is acceptable: it's fine as long as their isn't one in the chamber, just don't have it loaded in the car, as long as the LEO doesn't mind, etc.

    How did we get to the point where the '...the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." became so complicated and why do we, the ones most advocating the free exercise of that right, add complications to it too?

    The exercise of any part of the Bill of Rights has nothing to do with the moral compass of the individual or how they choose to live their lives. Nobody is denied free speech, the right to a jury trial, or protection against cruel and unusual punishment because of who they are or what they've done. We may not like the person that peddles pornography or think that the person that commits some heinous crime deserves to suffer similarly, but their rights are protected by our Bill of Rights and not open to interpretation or whether a license was granted by your state or not.

    As long as we buy into the idea that some level of control is acceptable we will see the continual erosion of our 2nd amendment rights.

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    Let me add to this the blatant unconstitutionality of the federal law that bans firearms possession by convicted felons. I myself will admit that I don't like the idea of serious violent felons being able to legally exercise RKBA, but the wording of 2A makes no such exceptions, so despite the Supreme Court's ruling to the contrary, the law is indeed unconstitutional. Then, there are unintended consequences. Consider this; a guy I worked with a few years ago made news when he killed another man. The killing was ruled self defense, but because he had a prior felony conviction, he had to spend a couple of years in prison. Let me get this straight; had he not killed this man he himself would probably be dead, but because he's a convicted felon and used a firearm to defend himself, he must go to prison? Where's the justice in that? Does that mean if you're a convicted felon and your life is in jeopardy that you should just let the BG kill you in order to avoid going to prison?
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

    Benjamin Franklin

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    Yes, we may agree that it is something we don't want in our society, an armed convicted felon, but what makes us uncomfortable does not negate someone's rights.

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    What's even more asinine is the idea that passing a law that makes it a crime for a felon to carry a gun will do anything. If you could prevent crimes with laws then our laws against murder, rape, robbery, etc. would have already eliminated all those crimes. No law will stop a committed individual. Even a location with armed guards and metal detectors could not stop someone who is totally committed to violence and unafraid of the consequences. They can act quickly with the element of surprise and then all the sheeple inside that location are also at their mercy. The recent shooting of the 4 police officers is proof of that. The solution is for everyone to take their own protection seriously and arm themselves, which should be part of our civic duty.

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    Its A Right, Not A Privilege

    1st Amendment:
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    2nd Amendment:

    "
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    "

    3rd Amendment:
    "
    No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
    "

    6th Amendment:
    "
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
    "

    Its A Right, Not A Privilege...

    The Second Amendment does not state “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” Except… if your zip code is X, your standing at Y, or the type or class of weapon/arm you have or desire to have is Z…
    Or IF said weapon is carried openly or concealed...
    Or "Just Because You Have A Right, Does Not Mean The Government Cannot Constrain That Right" - Barack Hussein Obama

    Notwithstanding, that no one that is not presently incarcerated, and thus whose life is under the protection of the State or Federal governing body that incarcerated said individual...
    Has any less of a inherent right to defend their life, that of their family, friends and neighbors, etc., by any means necessary using equal or greater force than may be brought against them...

    A recent example of how ludicrous it is to think that if a Convicted Felon believed to have served his/her debt to society and held to be rehabilitated, was actually pulling the wool over everyone's eyes; and once released decides to get a firearm that he can not legally purchase or possess, or in the case I am about to cite; even a police officer cannot legally possess, and go off on a robbing, raping, and shooting and murder rampage leaving 4 police officers dead...
    Can be prevented by anything short of a armed society...

    E.G.:
    Oakland California THIS YEAR, in the State with the most Draconian Firearm laws in the Country, a Convicted Felon, was able to locate and take possession of a firearm he was not able to legally own, nor anybody in the entire state of California law-abiding or not is able to legally own; within a week of being released from Prison in California, he committed multiple armed robberies, at least one rape, and killed 4 police officers...

    So anybody have any doubt whatsoever that any kind of prohibition, registration, ban or other measure is going to prevent somebody determined to get a particular type/class of weapon for ill will; is anything less than a exercise in futility?

    Its long past time to take back the Republic...

    John Dickison, a delegate to the Constitutional Convention from Pennsylvania, explained an unalienable right this way: it is something “Which God gave to you and which no inferior power has a right to take away.”...
    Another Second Amendment Case Heads to the Supreme Court

    How the Repeal of All Gun Laws Will Free America (Part 1)

    How the Repeal of All Gun Laws Will Free America (Part 2)

    Bill of Rights...
    God Given...
    Non-Negotiable...

    Without our Liberty, we have NOTHING.

    "The Second Amendment IS my Concealed Carry Permit" - Ted Nugent

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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