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  1. #81

    It's all about power over the people...

    and that's the mindset that Obama, Pelosi, Reid and a myriad of other legislators have. I really don't believe that they give a darn about the details (the extents to which they may have to go to retain that power). I think they're capable of anything! Be vigilant...stay informed...prepare for anything.
    Conservative Wife & Mom -- I'm a Conservative Christian-American with dual citizenship...the Kingdom of God is my 1st home and the U.S.A. is my 2nd.

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  3. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by rayven View Post
    There would need to be a rule change in order to raise a large military group, and that requires an act of Congress. Someone, somewhere would notice this.

    Also, there would need to be a law change to the Posse Comitatus Act, which again, someone would notice.

    Even if all this happened, and the military was authorized to police the US population, it would be a disaster. Those in the military are people too. They may have sworn an oath to obey all orders from the President, but many would draw the line at targeting civilians - their own countrymen. Many members of the military would side with the anti-government crowd. Not to mention, of course, that the US population owns a HUGE number of firearms that would then be turned on military personnel. I'd rather be unarmed and unarmored in Iraq right now than fully armored and armed in a new civil war US.

    Congress and the President would undoubtedly know this, plus by doing this, the chances of violence coming to them personally would dramatically increase. Only crazies try to assassinate presidents now; if this were to come to be reality, you would have your average Main St. guy aiming at top government officials instead of Jodie Foster-loving mental cases.

    So I doubt this is really happening for the reasons above. Any attempt at military control in the US would result in political, social, and economic disruptions, and that is the last thing anyone (including the government) wants.
    For Starters...
    Suggest you actually read this thread in its entirety and others paying particular attention to "Operation Garden Plot", "Yard Farming", Hurricane Katrina National Guard & State Police Go door to door disarming law-abiding citizens...

    You should be enlightened significantly...

    OR turn on the news and look at WACO II happening in Michigan right now...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    For Starters...
    Suggest you actually read this thread in its entirety and others paying particular attention to "Operation Garden Plot", "Yard Farming", Hurricane Katrina National Guard & State Police Go door to door disarming law-abiding citizens...

    You should be enlightened significantly...

    OR turn on the news and look at WACO II happening in Michigan right now...
    I actually did manage to read through all (now) nine pages of this thread. I still disagree with any real possibility of major military involvement in internal US police powers. There may be isolated cases of problems, but nothing like what this thread implies.

    The National Guard and State Police did confiscate legal firearms during Hurricane Katrina, but that issue has been settled, and should another disaster ever hit like that again, I doubt it would be the same result in that aspect.

    Operation Garden Plot won't be put into effect unless the ***** already has hit the fan in a big way. As I said in my post, the one thing we all fear is a threat to our individual lives. Putting this kind of order in play or using US troops to quell an uprising would be politically and potentially deadly. If a large army were to police the states, violence would grow, and the government officials who put it into action would then be targeted. Obama already has death threats from various crazies - why would he put something into effect that would increase the chances of him being shot, and not just by the crazies?

    Also, put a large military group against their own countrymen, and many of the members of the military are going to go against orders and end up helping the citizens against the government.

    Basically, the whole thing boils down to the same reason why Japan didn't invade the US after Pearl Harbor during WWII. Our defenses were very weak, and on paper, they could have landed in California and not met any military resistance until the middle of the country. In reality, and the Japanese acknowledged this, they knew that private ownership of weapons would stop them.

  5. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by rayven View Post
    I actually did manage to read through all (now) nine pages of this thread. I still disagree with any real possibility of major military involvement in internal US police powers. There may be isolated cases of problems, but nothing like what this thread implies.

    The National Guard and State Police did confiscate legal firearms during Hurricane Katrina, but that issue has been settled, and should another disaster ever hit like that again, I doubt it would be the same result in that aspect.

    Operation Garden Plot won't be put into effect unless the ***** already has hit the fan in a big way. As I said in my post, the one thing we all fear is a threat to our individual lives. Putting this kind of order in play or using US troops to quell an uprising would be politically and potentially deadly. If a large army were to police the states, violence would grow, and the government officials who put it into action would then be targeted. Obama already has death threats from various crazies - why would he put something into effect that would increase the chances of him being shot, and not just by the crazies?

    Also, put a large military group against their own countrymen, and many of the members of the military are going to go against orders and end up helping the citizens against the government.

    Basically, the whole thing boils down to the same reason why Japan didn't invade the US after Pearl Harbor during WWII. Our defenses were very weak, and on paper, they could have landed in California and not met any military resistance until the middle of the country. In reality, and the Japanese acknowledged this, they knew that private ownership of weapons would stop them.
    Really? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, regardless how baseless it is... I think you are being very Naïve and or intentionally obtuse...

    Ever served in the military or law enforcement?
    I doubt it, otherwise you would have not made your statements regarding the proactive measure that is operation garden plot & yard farming and the lack of military bases and facilities in California...

    I retired after 27 years in 2007, first thing you are taught is to unconditionally follow orders...
    Sure they touch on your ability to disobey unlawful orders, but in the history of this country alone, there have been very few cases where a soldier regardless of rank was successful in disobeying a direct order...

    Hell during Hurricane Katrina confiscations many police & military were filmed on camera saying they had a problem with what they were doing; guess what? THEY DID IT ANYWAY!

    Problem Resolved You Say? HA!
    It took 5 years for a fraction of the confiscated weapons to be returned to their owners & most were ruined beyond repair, because they were thrown in heaps in sea-land containers.
    Who was held accountable? NOBODY! Not Even Still Sitting Mayor of New Orleans, Louisiana Ray Nagin who said nobody will have guns except the police & military, turn in all your guns or we will come take them...

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    Latest DHS Right-Wing-Extremist Propaganda Being Distributed Among Government & Law Enforcement Agencies...
    http://69.84.25.250/blogger/rightwing.pdf

    Go ahead & keep your head in the sand...

    I for one will prepare for the worst & hope for the best...

    Fail To Plan, Plan To Fail...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  6. #85
    [B][The National Guard and State Police did confiscate legal firearms during Hurricane Katrina, but that issue has been settled,/B]

    Until next time.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  7. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    [B][The National Guard and State Police did confiscate legal firearms during Hurricane Katrina, but that issue has been settled,/B]

    Until next time.





    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    You've done your homework!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Really? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, regardless how baseless it is... I think you are being very Naïve and or intentionally obtuse...

    Ever served in the military or law enforcement?
    I doubt it, otherwise you would have not made your statements regarding the proactive measure that is operation garden plot & yard farming and the lack of military bases and facilities in California...

    I retired after 27 years in 2007, first thing you are taught is to unconditionally follow orders...
    Sure they touch on your ability to disobey unlawful orders, but in the history of this country alone, there have been very few cases where a soldier regardless of rank was successful in disobeying a direct order...

    Hell during Hurricane Katrina confiscations many police & military were filmed on camera saying they had a problem with what they were doing; guess what? THEY DID IT ANYWAY!

    Problem Resolved You Say? HA!
    It took 5 years for a fraction of the confiscated weapons to be returned to their owners & most were ruined beyond repair, because they were thrown in heaps in sea-land containers.
    Who was held accountable? NOBODY! Not Even Still Sitting Mayor of New Orleans, Louisiana Ray Nagin who said nobody will have guns except the police & military, turn in all your guns or we will come take them...

    Militia Raids Part Of Government Effort to Provoke Violence, Purge Dissent

    Reconciliation Act H.R.4872 Brings Microchipping to America

    New Homeland Security Report claims “Right-wing Extremism” is on the rise

    Latest DHS Right-Wing-Extremist Propaganda Being Distributed Among Government & Law Enforcement Agencies...
    http://69.84.25.250/blogger/rightwing.pdf

    Go ahead & keep your head in the sand...

    I for one will prepare for the worst & hope for the best...

    Fail To Plan, Plan To Fail...
    WOW Bo! Looks like we are right wing extremists/terrorists in the Feds eyes! Because we disagree with things like "free trade", IA amnesty and socialist programs being crammed down our throats by "the long-legged mack daddy"!! They think we're all racist too!! Well what about ethnic groups that agree with us?? Are they racist??? According to DHS, if you are a "WASP" that embraces conservative values and liberty, you are a "right-wing" extremist!

  9. #88
    Anyone who trusts the "gov't" is not thinking clearly. The writing is on the wall.
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

  10. "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right."

    --Abraham Lincoln

  11. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_I_Am View Post
    "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right."

    --Abraham Lincoln
    Great Quote, but Lincoln like Obama was just a great orator, hypocrite and a trampler of the Constitution...

    Lincoln's own plethora of unconstitutional executive orders where in direct conflict with this quote alone...

    History is re-written by the victors...

    Abe Lincoln & FDR were no heroes and the Civil War was not about Slavery as the liberal text books & socialist college professors infer...



    NOBAMA

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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