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    Conservative Revolution? NOT...

    This is from a Michele Malkin article.

    Red Flag No. One: A reader from Arizona informed me the day after the Bay State Bombshell that he had received a robo-call from Massachusetts GOP Sen.-elect Scott Brown. “He basically wanted me to vote for John McCain in November,” the reader said in his description of the automated campaign call supporting the four-term Sen. McCain’s re-election bid. “No wonder [Brown] said he hadn't had any sleep. … He was busy recording phone messages!”




    Red Flag No. Two: Also in the wake of the Massachusetts special election, the nation’s most popular conservative political figure Sarah Palin announced she would be campaigning for her former running mate in Arizona in March. Palin told Facebook followers that she’s going to “ride the tide with commonsense candidates” and help “heroes and statesmen” like McCain.

    Facing mounting conservative opposition in his home state and polls showing him virtually tied with possible GOP challenger and former Rep. J.D. Hayworth, McCain welcomed the boost: "Sarah energized our nation and remains a leading voice in the Republican Party."


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    This is from a Michele Malkin article.

    Red Flag No. One: A reader from Arizona informed me the day after the Bay State Bombshell that he had received a robo-call from Massachusetts GOP Sen.-elect Scott Brown. “He basically wanted me to vote for John McCain in November,” the reader said in his description of the automated campaign call supporting the four-term Sen. McCain’s re-election bid. “No wonder [Brown] said he hadn't had any sleep. … He was busy recording phone messages!”




    Red Flag No. Two: Also in the wake of the Massachusetts special election, the nation’s most popular conservative political figure Sarah Palin announced she would be campaigning for her former running mate in Arizona in March. Palin told Facebook followers that she’s going to “ride the tide with commonsense candidates” and help “heroes and statesmen” like McCain.

    Facing mounting conservative opposition in his home state and polls showing him virtually tied with possible GOP challenger and former Rep. J.D. Hayworth, McCain welcomed the boost: "Sarah energized our nation and remains a leading voice in the Republican Party."


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    YUP!
    Friends don't let friends vote for RINOs.

    I'd sure like to see his best buddy, Russ Feingold lose his seat too.
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    I hate to see Palin backing him,,I guess she feels oblagated

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    I have to take exception to the title & tone of this thread...

    Moreover, it implies we should be pessimistic about the Conservative tide turning in our favor, instead of optimistic...

    Yes I agree that John McCain is a RINO in no uncertain terms...

    Be that as it may; John McCain has been one of the most vocal opponents to the Obama Socialist Agenda over the last year; keeping with his long standing promise to "Make Them Famous" referring to out of control government spending, pork buried in legislation and hidden from the American Public...

    Additionally, John McCain has dedicated his entire adult life to the service of his country...

    Those decades of service, including the fact that most Americans know that he suffered years of torture; and the fact that his father & grandfather were Admirals in the Navy have given John McCain a lifetime of friends & support that give him significant political clout with both parties...

    At least with John McCain what you see is what you get, he has always told us from the get go that he is a Moderate Conservative that will bend over backwards to find the middle ground or compromise on a piece of legislation...

    Not that I find that particularly palatable but at least he's up front about it, I respect that a lot more than a snake in the grass like Lindsey Graham (R-SC) whom claims & campaigns as a Conservative that holds the Constitution sacred; but he sells us out more often then not; he is only marginally better than Benedict Arlen Spector, whom switched parties last year...

    I admit that I had to hold my nose at the voting booth in November 2008 when I voted for John McCain; the fact remains that if you are a Conservative; he was the only viable choice remaining...

    Like it or not, John McCain helped get Scott Brown elected, I remain confident that Scott Brown IS NO RINO OR MODERATE, Nor will become one; and his record as a State Senator & Lt. Colonel and other public offices he has held support that...
    Not withstanding he is unanimously & justifiably endorsed by the Pro-Second Amendment Community...
    And equally despised by the anti's including the "Brady Bunch"...
    I for one am a fan of anybody that is on Sarah Brady's opposition list...
    Further, that he is a self-proclaimed "Scott Brown Republican", as I see it; Scott Brown is his own man, is not beholding to any special interests, or any Politicians or the Republican party; IF anything he claims more allegiance to being "Independent" then Republican, which considering the way Republicans were acting & voting BEFORE November 2008 that is a good thing...

    Additionally, I have friends and family in Arizona, and have personally followed the careers of John McCain & J.D. Hayworth...
    Met them both while deployed over the last few decades...

    Further, while J.D. Hayworth is no Moderate like John McCain there is still areas where I am highly dissatisfied with J.D.'s record that I feel are in conflict with the Second Amendment, The Constitution and have cost American Jobs and American Privacy to say the least...

    As a sitting Congressman in the U.S. House of Representatives for Arizona's 6th District...

    • J.D. Hayworth Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted NO on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005) (REAL-ID PASS-ID) This is Bad, Bad, Bad for Firearm Owners and those that value their privacy...
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998) This too costs American's jobs, like the stinking free trade agreements; because these temporary & other worker visa holder's undercut what American Citizens can afford to take the jobs for; this only benefits BIG BUSINESS, & BIG GOVERNMENT...

    That being said, I would personally vote for J.D. Hayworth over John McCain if that was the only two viable choices...

    Be that as it may... BOTH J.D. Hayworth & John McCain FAIL my Second Amendment Litmus Test, so until ONE of them is the last man standing running against whatever Constitution Hating Libtard that surfaces for the General Election I will not support EITHER of them...

    If somebody more like Ron & Rand Paul, Alan Keyes, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Bob Barr, comes along in any state I will do what I can to help them in their endeavor as early on as possible...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    I must be misinterpreting something here. Bo. You start with a ringing endorsement of John McCain and then end up saying you wouldn't vote for him. No doubt that he would have been hands down better than B. Hussein, but, hell, Joe the Plumber would have been better than our current Muslim-in-Chief. What am I missing here?

    As per my pessimissm, I am admittedly way too old, and jaundiced to let 2 governor's elections and one Senate election cause me to writhe in conservative rapture. Is the tide swinging? Maybe, maybe not. We'll see. Sheep being sheep, give 'em some more grass to graze on (like a job!) and they'll munch away oblivious once again.

    The evidence that I read about Scott Brown seems to suggest that he is NOT a tea-bagger: his vote for RomneyCare alone tells me that. His endorsement for McCain just reinforces my thinking on this. He's a Northeast Republican RINO or soon will be if he wants to hold onto his seat in 2 years. Given that it's PRMA, I'm not surprised or even upset about this. It just warrants that people realize this. If Brown runs on a strong conservative platform in 2 years, my prediction is he won't be re-elected.

    Ok, I am excited that, hopefully, S. Brown's election has busted the 60-seat socialist majority in Congress. And it looks like there's some momentum taking us back to a center-right governance. But "center-right" is NOT conservative, just so we understand.

    My take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    I must be misinterpreting something here. Bo. You start with a ringing endorsement of John McCain and then end up saying you wouldn't vote for him. No doubt that he would have been hands down better than B. Hussein, but, hell, Joe the Plumber would have been better than our current Muslim-in-Chief. What am I missing here?

    As per my pessimissm, I am admittedly way too old, and jaundiced to let 2 governor's elections and one Senate election cause me to writhe in conservative rapture. Is the tide swinging? Maybe, maybe not. We'll see. Sheep being sheep, give 'em some more grass to graze on (like a job!) and they'll munch away oblivious once again.

    The evidence that I read about Scott Brown seems to suggest that he is NOT a tea-bagger: his vote for RomneyCare alone tells me that. His endorsement for McCain just reinforces my thinking on this. He's a Northeast Republican RINO or soon will be if he wants to hold onto his seat in 2 years. Given that's it's PRMA, I'm not surprised or even upset about this. It just warrants that people realize this. If Brown runs on a strong conservative platform in 2 years, my prediction is he won't be re-elected.

    Ok, I am excited that, hopefully, S. Brown's election has busted the 60-seat socialist majority in Congress. And it looks like there's some momentum taking us back to a center-right governance. But "center-right" is NOT conservative, just so we understand.

    My take.
    I am not trying to rile you up but...

    Given that the term Center-Right appears to have been invented in the 1950s-1960s...

    In my view it has been established that the Founding Fathers were "Center-Right", so if that is not Conservative, perhaps I need to reevaluate what is...

    Further in my view John McCain is just about as close to being in the middle as possible...

    Scott Brown on the other hand I find to be Center-Right...

    Ron Paul on the other hand I find to be as far to the right as you can possibly be, with his isolationist positions, without advocating anarchy (absolute right-wing); not that I think that is a bad thing, I just don't think that is consistent with Jefferson's view; the founding father that I most identify my values with...

    To further clarify my distinction; I consider Sarah Palin in between Scott Brown & Ron Paul...

    I don't know if I conveyed it wrong or not, but my intent was not to give John McCain any kind of ringing endorsement; but to say that just because he endorsed Scott Brown or vice-versa; does not make Scott Brown a RINO...
    Nor does Scott Brown's support as a State Senator for RomneyCare...

    Scott Brown defended his support of Romney Care that has been greatly mis-characterized in the media...

    I have zero affinity for Mitt Romney, and DO consider him a RINO in no uncertain terms; and do not personally care for the RomneyCare bit; but when it comes down to it; what Massachusetts did with their health care IS Constitutional under the 10th Amendment and others; unlike what the Fed is trying to do with ObamaCare...

    At this point in time, without something compelling to the contrary I still contend that Scott Brown is no RINO...

    Ronald Reagan is STILL by most considered a uber Conservative...
    I am here to tell you & can back it up with facts as I have in the past that in my opinion; Ronald Reagan WAS NO CONSERVATIVE...
    For Starters, Gun Bans, Amnesty, Entitlements; before, after & during his Presidency, not the Conservative he was made out to be, he was more of a Moderate like John McCain...
    I consider both to be RINO's...

    Great Related Video... Son of Dr. Ron Paul, Dr. Rand Paul speaks to a Center-Right coalition (1 of 6):
    YouTube - Rand Paul speaks to a center-right coalition (1 of 6)

    Here is one of the best definitions of the political spectrum in regards to our founding fathers and our current view that I have found to-date...

    What did the founding fathers political spectrum look like?:
    The political spectrum that the founding fathers followed is not what we follow today. Today, we find that Communism is placed to the Far Left, and Fascism is placed to the Far Right. The media, the elites, the intellectuals and the parties have said that we, the people, are center to center-right, according to polling from various institutions.

    The political spectrum that our founding fathers followed was one that showed 100% government to the Far Left and 0% Government to the Far Right.

    By the founders political spectrum, communism, socialism & fascism would be considered 100% government, where as anarchy ( no government ) would be considered 0% government. In my opinion, they would consider the current form of the political spectrum to be pointless and useless because it shows no place for anarchy.

    The founders placed our constitution, the written document that outlines the structure and limits of government, at the center of their political spectrum. They represented our form of government, on that spectrum, as a 3-headed eagle. The 3 heads represent the 3 branches of government, the executive, the legislative and the judicial branches; each of these heads join into 1 neck, representing the inability of each branch to act without the consent of the others. This eagle also has it's wings spread out; the right wing representing the cognitive wing, the problem solving wing; the left wing represents the conservation wing, the wing that is meant to conserve resources. They pictured government like this and the spectrum like this because when government becomes too fixated on problems ( the cognitive wing becomes too strong), and there is no concern for resources (conservation wing not doing it's job), the society will drift into tyranny. However, if the cognitive wing is not doing it's job and the conservation wing is being too tight with resources, society will drift into anarchy.
    WikiAnswers - What did the founding fathers political spectrum look like

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    I agree about Reagan and pretty much everything else you've said with the exception of "center-right". "Center Right" positions, IMHO, aren't going to get us back to where we need to be, as by defintion, it will have to accomodate those with less than Consitutional Purity (my term).

    What would you call someone who takes an Oath to the Constitution and views our system only thru the prism of the Constitution. I would call them "Conservative". Any deviation from this stance just leads to...more big government, imo. Think about it, when do you EVER hear any politician - right, left, center - discuss the constitutionality of any bill under consideration? It's pretty gol-damn rare.

    Here's my real fear, Bo, as it pertains to S. Brown, S. Palin, and any other politician. It's the "go along to get along" philosophy which permeates our governance. What we need are "firebrands" who shake the system to its core. And that ain't ever gonna happen, I know, except in my dreams. Thus, my less than "dance in the streets" enthusiasm.

    A politician is a politician is a politician and we know what motivates the VAST majority of 'em: POWER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    I agree about Reagan and pretty much everything else you've said with the exception of "center-right". "Center Right" positions, IMHO, aren't going to get us back to where we need to be, as by defintion, it will have to accomodate those with less than Consitutional Purity (my term).

    What would you call someone who takes an Oath to the Constitution and views our system only thru the prism of the Constitution. I would call them "Conservative". Any deviation from this stance just leads to...more big government, imo. Think about it, when do you EVER hear any politician - right, left, center - discuss the constitutionality of any bill under consideration? It's pretty gol-damn rare.

    Here's my real fear, Bo, as it pertains to S. Brown, S. Palin, and any other politician. It's the "go along to get along" philosophy which permeates our governance. What we need are "firebrands" who shake the system to its core. And that ain't ever gonna happen, I know, except in my dreams. Thus, my less than "dance in the streets" enthusiasm.

    A politician is a politician is a politician and we know what motivates the VAST majority of 'em: POWER.
    It should be noted: Just before Christmas Senator John Ensign (R-NV) made a speech on camera on the floor of the U.S. Senate calling into question the constitutionality of ObamaCare...
    As have 13 and counting State Attorney's General and some 20 Governors and counting on the news over the last few weeks...

    I may be mistaken but I think what each of us define as "Center-Right" may be what is at issue...

    As in the eagle analogy; If you see constitutional purity as 12 noon and 100% government (Extreme Left) as 9:00 and 0% government (Extreme Right or Anarchy) as 3:00, then it is a fair statement saying Center-Right is less than constitutionally pure.

    But I don't think the founding fathers or the Constitution is truly in the middle that way, I think they both are closer to the right then the left, like 1:00-2:00...

    I see "Center-Left" as being between between 10-11 o'clock

    I see Obama, Pelosi & Reid at 9:15

    I see "Center-Right" as being between 2-3 o'clock

    I see John McCain at about 12:30 (Conservative-Leaning-Moderate), Scott Brown at 2:00 (Conservative), Sarah Palin at 2:30 (Very Conservative), and Ron Paul at 2:45 (Uber Conservative-Leaning-Libertarian)

    Scott Brown, Sarah Palin and Ron Paul are not known for their "go along to get along" philosophy's, in fact they are all pretty well-known in their own rights for their adherence to the Constitution and Conservative Principals...
    And opposition to the status quo...

    Hell, the first thing Sarah Palin did as Governor was go after her own party, and put the Governors Jet on ebay...

    I think the three of them have done a pretty good job so far of shaking things up and I expect more in the future, and anticipate seeing great things come from Scott Brown, in the near future but I will be the first to call him a RINO if he fails to adhere to the Constitution...
    And will figuratively call for his head should that time come...
    I have yet to see anything in Scott Brown's record or statements that is in conflict with with the Constitution or outside of the Constitution...
    And he frequently quotes the Constitution, like Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, Alan Keyes, and Bob Barr...

    Sure he is kind of on the fence when it comes to the whole pro-life/pro-choice thing; but that is not a deviation from the Constitution per se and while I personally think that abortion is murder, I have like a lot of people I think; have quite the personal quandary in thinking that the founding fathers would be behind the Government telling anybody what they could do with their own bodies...
    I just don't think legislating mortality is the responsibility of the Fed or State Governments...
    Further, until our science advances enough to prove when sentient life actually begins, I think it would be a hard sell to justify that unborn children (hate the term fetus myself) have constitutional rights...

    I have always been of the view that the 10th Amendment is the State's & the People's Leash on the Fed, and we need to snap that choke chain sooner, rather then later...
    NOW, more than ever...
    And I am anxiously awaiting the 3 Stooges (Osama/Obama, Dirty Harry & Crazy Nancy) having to concede that they are now going to have to listen to WE THE PEOPLE, and give the rest of the members of Congress a voice in Legislation at least between now & November...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Good points Bohemian. We not only need a 2nd amendment litmus test, we need to come up with a constitutional litmus test for all those claiming to "represent" us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    I have to take exception to the title & tone of this thread...

    Moreover, it implies we should be pessimistic about the Conservative tide turning in our favor, instead of optimistic...

    Yes I agree that John McCain is a RINO in no uncertain terms...

    Be that as it may; John McCain has been one of the most vocal opponents to the Obama Socialist Agenda over the last year; keeping with his long standing promise to "Make Them Famous" referring to out of control government spending, pork buried in legislation and hidden from the American Public...

    Additionally, John McCain has dedicated his entire adult life to the service of his country...

    Those decades of service, including the fact that most Americans know that he suffered years of torture; and the fact that his father & grandfather were Admirals in the Navy have given John McCain a lifetime of friends & support that give him significant political clout with both parties...

    At least with John McCain what you see is what you get, he has always told us from the get go that he is a Moderate Conservative that will bend over backwards to find the middle ground or compromise on a piece of legislation...

    Not that I find that particularly palatable but at least he's up front about it, I respect that a lot more than a snake in the grass like Lindsey Graham (R-SC) whom claims & campaigns as a Conservative that holds the Constitution sacred; but he sells us out more often then not; he is only marginally better than Benedict Arlen Spector, whom switched parties last year...

    I admit that I had to hold my nose at the voting booth in November 2008 when I voted for John McCain; the fact remains that if you are a Conservative; he was the only viable choice remaining...

    Like it or not, John McCain helped get Scott Brown elected, I remain confident that Scott Brown IS NO RINO OR MODERATE, Nor will become one; and his record as a State Senator & Lt. Colonel and other public offices he has held support that...
    Not withstanding he is unanimously & justifiably endorsed by the Pro-Second Amendment Community...
    And equally despised by the anti's including the "Brady Bunch"...
    I for one am a fan of anybody that is on Sarah Brady's opposition list...
    Further, that he is a self-proclaimed "Scott Brown Republican", as I see it; Scott Brown is his own man, is not beholding to any special interests, or any Politicians or the Republican party; IF anything he claims more allegiance to being "Independent" then Republican, which considering the way Republicans were acting & voting BEFORE November 2008 that is a good thing...

    Additionally, I have friends and family in Arizona, and have personally followed the careers of John McCain & J.D. Hayworth...
    Met them both while deployed over the last few decades...

    Further, while J.D. Hayworth is no Moderate like John McCain there is still areas where I am highly dissatisfied with J.D.'s record that I feel are in conflict with the Second Amendment, The Constitution and have cost American Jobs and American Privacy to say the least...

    As a sitting Congressman in the U.S. House of Representatives for Arizona's 6th District...

    • J.D. Hayworth Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted NO on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006).
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005) (REAL-ID PASS-ID) This is Bad, Bad, Bad for Firearm Owners and those that value their privacy...
    • J.D. Hayworth Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998) This too costs American's jobs, like the stinking free trade agreements; because these temporary & other worker visa holder's undercut what American Citizens can afford to take the jobs for; this only benefits BIG BUSINESS, & BIG GOVERNMENT...

    That being said, I would personally vote for J.D. Hayworth over John McCain if that was the only two viable choices...

    Be that as it may... BOTH J.D. Hayworth & John McCain FAIL my Second Amendment Litmus Test, so until ONE of them is the last man standing running against whatever Constitution Hating Libtard that surfaces for the General Election I will not support EITHER of them...

    If somebody more like Ron & Rand Paul, Alan Keyes, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Bob Barr, comes along in any state I will do what I can to help them in their endeavor as early on as possible...
    I saw so-called conservatives last night on Fox News getting all excited about J.D. Hayworth running against John McCain in Arizona again...

    J.D. Hayworth nor John McCain pass the Second Amendment or the Constitutional Litmus Test...

    Both are RINO's

    Arizona needs another choice in my view...

    As does Illinois...
    Gun Banning Mark Kirk (R-IL) is probably the worst RINO in Congress, 2nd only to Lindsey Graham...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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