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    Quote Originally Posted by MADnMO View Post
    I see your point. But think about this. They hold our debt. They want their money. We don't have it.

    Because of BHO and congress our defenses are weak.

    So they decide to take our property and natural resources as payment.

    We don't let them.

    WWIII?
    Remember the Japanese in WWII? They wouldn't attack us because too many Americans were armed. The percentage probably is lower now but the number of guns is higher.
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    I'll start with the tag line from MadnMo:
    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. - Ronald Reagan
    This has never been truer and honestly this is what scares me the most, the next couple of generations. It has become painfully obvious that the largest part of the next 2 generations under us (I'm 62) DO NOT understand the threat that is facing our country and seem willing to roll the dice with the govt. we now have. If a problem or threat is not perceived, how can they ever correct what they don't see as a problem? I would love to have a more optimistic outlook, but I'm afraid that I can't see a happy ending at this time unless there is an actual revolution that turns thing around. And to have that happen, people are going to have to make hard decisions that could cost them their lives. For me, that's not a hard choice
    as long as others are willing to fight back too. If it's just a few of us Vets against a growing politically powerful oppressive govt. then we're pissing against the wind.
    I'm still of the opinion that none of these things happening now is just coincidence, just timing or just the perfect storm of
    liberal ignorance. I'm convinced that we're headed for a One World Government with a One World Currency whether it's
    within 5 years or within 20 years. Without literally replacing ALL of the Reps. and ALL of the Senators I don't see things
    turning around in my lifetime. If we did replace all of them, then we MIGHT stand a chance of saving this country, but I'm
    afraid that there is too much apathy here in the land of milk and honey (for now) to make the hard decisions in time to turn
    things around. I hate to be so negative, never has been my nature. But when you look at the reality of the total situation
    it's hard not to be negative. The fabric of our society is unraveling at a rapid pace, we've moved away from a moral based
    government and society and greed has replaced integrity. The govt. has steadily dumbed down the students for the last
    25 years and it has worked.
    As for the economy, look at the big picture. What better way to control people than to take away their purchasing power?
    If you try to control them at gun point or control their food supply they get really pissed and rebellious. But if you slowly erode their ability to earn money and sustain their standard of living by economic means then you slowly take control over
    their lives. That's where we are already and it's going to get worse. So, I'm on board with, at this point, we're doomed to
    go down. The only question is whether we're going to go out with a whimper or a bang.

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    While it seems us "older Gentlemen" are the one's carrying the torch for recognition of the problems, I don't think it is as bad as it seems. I have a son in the Army Reserve. He has a large number of friends there who recognize the problem. In fact some quit and more were considering it under Slick Willie. My younger son has a number of friends who have amazed and surprised me with how conservative they are. Remember it was only about 1/3 of the population that supported the split with England during the American Revolution.
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    I hope maybejim is right, but I tend to agree with Outtahere.

    MadnMo, I think all the Chinese need to do is STOP buying our paper and that'll put us under.

    My .02 cents

  6. Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded here and there, now and then are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
    This is known as "bad luck."

    Political tags such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.

    Heinlein.

    The problem with a Democracy is the people who run for office are generally the ones who want the power. That unto itself makes them unfit to lead. Our only protections to date have been from the Constitution (which the power hungry parasites in charge keep finding ways around) and those that will defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic. It is tough fighting the domestic kind that make sweet promises to the masses and hide behind smiles and platitudes.......

    Keep fighting.
    You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.
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    If they would dumb enough to attack us, Roll back to the Fortys and remimber Enola Gay.... Would'nt be a wise move......

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    For a long time it has not mattered which party is in power. Some times the move to a Marxist one world government has been rapid as under the currant administration. Some times it has been a little slower but it has always been a constant move.
    You make a good point. Personally, I believe that the constant move will increase at a rapid pace regardless of which party is in power, because, the way I see it, there is no longer a Republican Party. It looks to me like the Democrats have become Socialists, and the Republicans have become Democrats. It's not a pretty picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    Never happen. China isn't stupid enough to try to kill the golden goose. BO, is another case.
    The US will not be the "Golden Goose" when China stops lending to us.
    This will happen as soon as China realizes we are giving them worthless federal reserve notes. They will stop using their natural and manpower resources to provide us with products for our use. They will start producing for their domestic market increasing the quality of life for their own.
    The dollar will be worth less causing very high inflation here in the US.
    The Obama gov't wouldn't care because they can now pay their debts with cheaper dollars. The US citizens are the ones that would suffer. No World War III over this because China will move onto world market and wealth domination. What we would have to worry about is major hyper inflation. Job loss and general chaos here at home.
    Shovel ready jobs fixing our highways>>>great, while China, India and even Brazil are building the largest and most high tech factories in the world. There economy will keep growing and we won't even have cars to drive on out redone highways. (not that there are actually "shovel ready" jobs started here)
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    Well, I'm 71 (another old fart ). Grew up shooting guns in north central Montana. Not really happy with the way the country has been turning away from the constitution. As I see it, the 2010 elections are very important in turning the country around from it's present course to destruction. But there are plenty of problems to overcome that have perpetuated by the politicians since we didn't "keep their feet to the fire."

    It appears the the Tea Party movement has been very helpful in bringing matters more out into the open. Hopefully they will integrate into the Republican Party and get it going in the right direction. Seems we have to listen closely to the political sound bites to avoid electing any more progressives. JMHO.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNSteve View Post
    Well, I'm 71 (another old fart ). Grew up shooting guns in north central Montana. Not really happy with the way the country has been turning away from the constitution. As I see it, the 2010 elections are very important in turning the country around from it's present course to destruction. But there are plenty of problems to overcome that have perpetuated by the politicians since we didn't "keep their feet to the fire."

    It appears the the Tea Party movement has been very helpful in bringing matters more out into the open. Hopefully they will integrate into the Republican Party and get it going in the right direction. Seems we have to listen closely to the political sound bites to avoid electing any more progressives. JMHO.....
    Good point Steve. I agree.

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