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  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    First & Foremost WE THE PEOPLE need to relearn what Conservative actually means, and not what it has been perverted to mean...

    The first Fundamental rule of Constitutional interpretation is your Rights do not come from Government...
    Any politician or individual that tells you they do, is no Conservative and deserves your scorn...

    You have no right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness or anything else for that matter without the Unabridged Second Amendment...
    Otherwise all you have is arbitrary, conditional privileges from a tyrannical government...

    Folks WE THE PEOPLE need to WTFU & be very clear in our communications with the Politicians that do & would represent us; as well as our friends, family and fellow true Supporters of the Constitution & Second Amendment; that WE THE PEOPLE Have A Zero Tolerance Policy For Constitutional Infringements...

    AND will no longer accept it as the status quo, that WE THE PEOPLE are powerless to deter...

    We are being defeated & enslaved by our own neglect of our Constitution & Founding Documents, Tenets & Principals...

    The time for closet Conservatism is OVER!
    The time to not discuss Religion & Politics is OVER!

    STEP UP!

    The Discussion of the Constitution & the founding documents and their meaning and what we need to do to take back the Republic is the most important conversation any of us can have, bar none...
    We must not only have this conversation frequently with the media, and those Politicians that do & seek to represent us; we must do the same with everybody we come in contact with like minded or not...

    Moreover, that Hypocritical, Gun Banning RINO Ronald Reagan is not the Conservative Litmus Test...
    FrontPage Magazine - Don't Blame Liberals for Gun Control

    Kenneth J. Cooper & Ann Devroy, Backers of Assault Weapons Ban Make Final Push for Undecided Votes, WASH. POST, May 5, 1994, at A5. Former Presidents Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan announced their support of the ban in a letter. Former President George Bush did not include his signature on the letter. President Bill Clinton, together with Vice President Al Gore and Attorney General Janet Reno, made progress for the ban by lobbying individual lawmakers. Supporters needed about two-thirds of the 21 undecided votes to pass the ban:
    Seton Hall Legislative Journal

    “All those magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds will be legal to manufacture again. It will once again be legal to import the group of shotguns administratively banned by Ronald Reagan and the group of semi-automatic rifles similarly banned by the first President Bush. (Both of these executive bans were codified in the 1994 law.)”:
    Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership - Homepage

    Open Carry Bans, Shotgun Bans, So-Called Assault Weapons Bans, Semi-Auto Bans, High Capacity Magazine Bans, Handgun Bans, Ammunition Bans, Brady Bill(s) ad nauseam...
    Gun Banning RINO Ronald Reagan's lifetime of Second Amendment Infringement alone should give him nothing but contempt & disgust from those that truly support the Constitution, the Second Amendment & the founding documents and have read them and can comprehend them...

    Don't even get me started on his tax increases, unfunded health care mandates to the states, elimination of ability to buy health insurance across state lines, amnesty for millions of illegal aliens, entitlements such as medicare, medicaid, social security for illegal aliens...
    Trillions of Unfunded Entitlement Liabilities...
    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

    A lot of people like to cite that Ronald Reagan built up our military that was cannibalized under Jimmy Carter; that is a fair statement, but not one dime before October 23,1983 in Beirut a day when I almost died and some 241 of my fellow Marines did...
    Not withstanding, we were fricking bombed April 8th, 1983 some 6 months earlier also in Beirut, both attacks were carried out by the group known then as "Islamic Jihad", now known as Hezbollah...

    This is the same thing that happened with "W", Slick-Willie cannibalized & downsized the military for 8 years; and "W" did nothing about restoring it until 09/01/2001...

    Sure Ronald Reagan got Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall, after according to Mikhail Gorbachev's biography "Ronald Reagan Bankrupted The Former Soviet Union" and failed to mention that with 10,000 Missiles pointed at the Soviet Union Ronald Reaqan made that infamous speech...

    Exactly where in the Constitution is any branch of the Government authorized to make such demands on foreign Governments, that have not attacked us, nor Congress Declared War On?
    NOWHERE.

    Sending billions to starving 3rd world countries when the money could be spent feeding our own starving & homeless...

    How about the "Afghanistan-Russia War 1979-1989", same unconstitutional b.s.; Ronald Reagan & Congress pumped billions in troops, equipment into supporting & training and aiding a 3rd world country to fight the Russians; while most Americans were oblivious to the fact and that like Beirut, et.al. we had no business being there to begin with...
    Came back to bite us in the butt with a vengeance on 91101, when Osama Bin Laden & other members of Al Qaeda "We Trained During The
    Afghanistan-Russia War" have used that training to inflict no small amount of pain, suffering on the same American Citizens whom put Ronald Reagan on a fricking Pedestal and use him for the Conservative Litmus test...

    Ronald Reagan - Conservative? NOT, Moderate-Progressive Imperialist? YES...






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    The first Fundamental rule of Constitutional interpretation is your Rights do not come from Government...
    Any politician or individual that tells you they do, is no Conservative and deserves your scorn...


    Or at the very minimum they are ignorant of the Constitution and it's original meaning and need to be educated on the subject. A majority of the politicians were educated in the public school system and thus any teaching they received on the Constitution, which was probably very little, was from a liberal Marxist view point.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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  3. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    The first Fundamental rule of Constitutional interpretation is your Rights do not come from Government...
    Any politician or individual that tells you they do, is no Conservative and deserves your scorn...


    Or at the very minimum they are ignorant of the Constitution and it's original meaning and need to be educated on the subject. A majority of the politicians were educated in the public school system and thus any teaching they received on the Constitution, which was probably very little, was from a liberal Marxist view point.
    Fair statement, I will rephrase...

    For those through no fault of their own, do not have a Fundamental grasp of the Constitution & the Founding Documents; if after being respectfully shown said pivotal documents; IF they still remain ignorant & oblivious and refuse to take a proactive part in the restoration of the Republic; then they truly deserve our scorn and when WE THE PEOPLE WTFU & the SHTF...
    Or the Socialist Utopia of the Usurper in Chief Finally Collapses...
    & the SHTF...
    They will get what they have coming to them...
    AND it sure won't be anything resembling aid & comfort...

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    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  4. Sounds like a personal issue to me.

    If Ron hadn't spent that billion trillion dollars on defense, nuclear subs, "chrome dome" program, missiles, in air refueling programs and tanks, we'd never ended the cold war nor been ready for desert storm 1991.

    I know some people would rather their tax dollars be spent on free abortions, free handouts, and "feel good" programs. Matter of personal preference.

  5. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_I_Am View Post
    Sounds like a personal issue to me.

    If Ron hadn't spent that billion trillion dollars on defense, nuclear subs, "chrome dome" program, missiles, in air refueling programs and tanks, we'd never ended the cold war nor been ready for desert storm 1991.

    I know some people would rather their tax dollars be spent on free abortions, free handouts, and "feel good" programs. Matter of personal preference.
    Yes it is a personal problem I have whenever somebody in the Government thinks they can spend my money better than I can...

    Charity & Aid should be voluntary, not mandated & compulsory by the Government...

    I would hope there is many more that feel the same way I do...

    Because it is more of a Fundamental National Problem then just my little pet peeve with Gun Banning RINO Ronnie...

    Moreover, while Gun Banning RINO Ronald Reagan was trampling the Constitution & the Second Amendment, and looking for a Television Camera & Teleprompter at least as much as the current charismatic orator in chief; to tell everybody how much he was doing for National Defense and foreign aid; he was busy adding trillions to unfunded entitlement liabilities...

    All the while covertly using the DOD Cold-War Slush Fund to give aid & comfort, training and military equipment to Osama Bin Laden, and other members of Al Qaeda whom have been using it against us almost every since...
    Notwithstanding doing the same for Sadam Hussein, et.al. ...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Yes it is a personal problem I have whenever somebody in the Government thinks they can spend my money better than I can...

    Charity & Aid should be voluntary, not mandated & compulsory by the Government...

    I would hope there is many more that feel the same way I do...

    Because it is more of a Fundamental National Problem then just my little pet peeve with Gun Banning RINO Ronnie...

    Moreover, while Gun Banning RINO Ronald Reagan was trampling the Constitution & the Second Amendment, and looking for a Television Camera & Teleprompter at least as much as the current charismatic orator in chief; to tell everybody how much he was doing for National Defense and foreign aid; he was busy adding trillions to unfunded entitlement liabilities...

    All the while covertly using the DOD Cold-War Slush Fund to give aid & comfort, training and military equipment to Osama Bin Laden, and other members of Al Qaeda whom have been using it against us almost every since...
    Notwithstanding doing the same for Sadam Hussein, et.al. ...
    Amen... Stop taking it with the intent to decide how and where it should be spent. Keep it here in the US and do some good with it... And above all else be accountable for it.
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

  7. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_I_Am View Post
    Sounds like a personal issue to me.

    If Ron hadn't spent that billion trillion dollars on defense, nuclear subs, "chrome dome" program, missiles, in air refueling programs and tanks, we'd never ended the cold war nor been ready for desert storm 1991.

    I know some people would rather their tax dollars be spent on free abortions, free handouts, and "feel good" programs. Matter of personal preference.

    I would rather they be spent on none of the above. I would rather we not be the police of the world and let the rest of the nations pay to field their own army. I am all for national defense. I am not for being the national defense of the rest of the world.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    I prefer to remember this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Slick-Willie Clinton Assault Weapons Ban 1994-2004...

    Ford, Carter, Reagan Push for Gun Ban
    May 05, 1994|WILLIAM J. EATON, TIMES STAFF WRITER

    WASHINGTON — Three former presidents endorsed legislation Wednesday to ban the future manufacture, sale and possession of combat-style assault weapons as a closely divided House neared a showdown today on the hotly controversial issue.

    Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan sent a letter to all House members expressing their support for the measure, effectively joining President Clinton in urging approval of the ban.
    Ford, Carter, Reagan Push for Gun Ban - Los Angeles Times

    THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT:
    The Unabridged Second Amendment





    Fundamental First Rule Of Constitutional Interpretation (and the rest of the founding documents):

    Your Rights Do Not Come From Government...

    Bill of Rights...
    God Given...
    Non-Negotiable...

    Without our Liberties, we have NOTHING...

    Without the Unabridged Second Amendment which protects a pre-existing right we were born with; the right to life, liberty, etc., also delineated in the Declaration of Independence, we are nothing more then slaves to the whims of a tyrannical government...






    IF we concede that we cannot change anything in our lifetime, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy...

    I am a Marine, and Defeatism is not in my DNA...



    The sooner, the 80 million & counting firearm owners of 270 million & counting firearms in this country realize we are not the minority demographic, the sooner we can effect CHANGE WE THE PEOPLE CAN BELIEVE IN...

    What do you think of this politician?


    (Ronald Reagan's Lifetime of Second Amendment Sell-Outs)



    A follow-up to the KABA poll
    June 14, 2003

    KeepAndBearArms.com -- The politician who is the subject of KABA's most recent poll was former President Ronald Reagan, now in death enjoying near-universal acclaim from gun owners as the best president in our lifetime.
    In the midst of all the “conservative” sentimentality being expressed, we mustn’t ignore some uncomfortable facts that anyone who considers himself a Constitutionalist needs to reconcile—especially since the nearly 80% of you who voted based solely on his actions deemed them “traitorous,” and the vast majority of the balance deemed them “misguided.”
    Now that you know who we were talking about, how many of you want to take back your vote? Why? Did the nature of his actions suddenly change? Are “gun control” laws tyrannical? Does it matter who it is who imposes them?
    The edicts President Reagan endorsed and enacted could very well have resulted in your death—or the deaths of people you love—or the destruction of your life if found in defiance of them, if caught claiming the birthrights supposedly guaranteed by the Constitution he swore an oath to defend.
    It’s not like he didn’t know better. “Ronald Reagan: The Gun Owner's Champion,” reveals a man fully aware of the true intent behind the Second Amendment, as well as its applicability in modern times. As a young man, he actually used a gun to rescue a nursing student. He even “began packing a .32 Smith and Wesson pistol, holstering the gun on every morning for months and wearing it until he stepped into bed at night,” in response to a threat. Yet in spite of this, he still imposed “gun control” on America.
    The KABA poll presented six “gun control” examples. Here are our sources:
    Items 1, 2 and 4:

    “Reagan last week declared his support for a bill requiring a seven-day waiting period for handgun purchases. He did so at a George Washington University ceremony marking the 10th anniversary of the shooting that almost killed him and permanently disabled his press secretary, James S. Brady.

    “It is called the Brady Bill, and Reagan said Congress should enact it without delay. ‘It's just plain common sense that there be a waiting period to allow local law enforcement officials to conduct background checks on those who wish to buy a handgun,’ the former president said.’”

    Item 3 and 5:

    “It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, ‘prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street.’ The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.
    “Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. ‘I support the Brady Bill,’ he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, ‘and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay.’"

    Item 6:

    “All those magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds will be legal to manufacture again. It will once again be legal to import the group of shotguns administratively banned by Ronald Reagan and the group of semi-automatic rifles similarly banned by the first President Bush. (Both of these executive bans were codified in the 1994 law.)”
    Since the KABA poll was released, additional information has resurfaced concerning President Reagan’s support for the 1994 “assault weapon” ban: “Kenneth J. Cooper & Ann Devroy, Backers of Assault Weapons Ban Make Final Push for Undecided Votes, WASH. POST, May 5, 1994, at A5. Former Presidents Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan announced their support of the ban in a letter.”
    Finally, know that gun owners are not alone in mourning the passing of President Reagan. A touching memorial tribute can be found here, written by people who professed to love him and call him “friend."
    With this clear evidence of Mr. Reagan supporting the Brady Bill, a ban on shotguns and semiautos, and a ban on carrying firearms in public, it seems fair to ask:
    Why is NRA republishing their 1983 resolution (issued, incidentally, 16 years after he signed the Mulford Act) where they proclaimed “President Reagan has forcefully stood by his convictions in support of the second amendment right of citizens to keep and bear arms for any legitimate purpose, including self-defense; and…vigorously rejects the myth that gun control is crime control…”?
    And why is the Second Amendment Foundation telling its supporters, “President Reagan knew the value of gun ownership?”
    Finally, some apologists are maintaining Reagan’s support for the Brady Bill was the result of his being manipulated in his senility by opportunistic anti-gunners and/or reporters. Some people will do anything to maintain their illusions—or to convince others that the illusions are true. The fact is, Reagan announced his support for the Brady Bill in 1991 and wasn’t diagnosed with Alzheimer’s until three-and-a-half years later—in late 1994. But this is a false argument anyway, as his support for the Mulford Act, which ended the open bearing of loaded arms in public places throughout California, took place a full 27 years earlier. The purpose of the poll and this article are not to denigrate the memory of a man literally revered by millions throughout America and the world. It is merely to establish the undeniable historical record that—in spite of the special place he evidently held in the hearts of gun owners—the man’s actions, as they related to the Second Amendment, did not merit it.

    It was not our intention to offend anyone. We realize the options presented in our poll were strongly worded—and that was intentional: only by having gun owners characterize the actions of an anonymous subject could their true assessment be determined.

    Others have suggested that now is not the time for this information to come to light. But the deception about Mr. Reagan’s Second Amendment legacy is being perpetuated now—and through outlets that reach millions. Besides, for anyone who is against these facts being presented, there will never be a “right time.” And since when is there a “wrong time” for the reality?

    The strongest weapon we have in the fight to reclaim the free exercise of our right to keep and bear arms is the truth. When confronted with painful truth, we have two choices: accept it, or deny it and resent the messenger.


    Our struggle is far too serious for us to cede painful fact to comfortable illusion. If denial and emotion-based belief systems prevail, we will not.


    Related reading:
    The Brady Campaign, and NBC`s Katie Couric, Try to Re-write History
    Reagan's Assault Weapons Ban Legacy
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  10. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by melloyello View Post
    I'll agree with that..

    He signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act which was mostly good but contained the Hughes Amendment.
    He blackmailed all state to withhold federal highway funding if they didn't change the drinking age to 21.
    Bailed out Social Security and Medicare by increasing taxes
    He tripled the national debt, contributed to the S&L failure and bailout

    BUT
    He did keep the Democratic Congress in Check
    He did shrink the size of government
    Bombed Libya and tried to bomb Muammar Kaddafi
    Rescued and won the battle over Grenada

    --Iran - Contra -- ??

    AND

    He was a better choice than Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale.
    Ronald Reagan was the best President we've had in modern times. He brought down The Berlin Wall and helped make our country safer at a perilous time in history. Your remarks about him and twisted reference to voting is outrageous. You are a typical Liberal spin artist and can't post truthful info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOV5 View Post
    Ronald Reagan was the best President we've had in modern times. He brought down The Berlin Wall and helped make our country safer at a perilous time in history. Your remarks about him and twisted reference to voting is outrageous. You are a typical Liberal spin artist and can't post truthful info.
    PLEASE detail which of the statements I made are not truthful.

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