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  1. #11
    From a Cornell Law Prof:

    I have to hand it to team Obama. They do not give up on Obama's goal of remaking the health care system into the image that Obama wants.

    Even if Obama doesn't get everything he wants, if either of the current House or Senate versions passes, or some combined version, we will have government control through legislation and regulation over the most minute aspects of the health care system, and the people who use that system (i.e., everyone).

    There simply is nothing to negotiate if the plan includes, as it likely will, a big government approach.

    The latest "transparent" ploy is the televised "negotiation" on February 25. But Obama does not intend that event as a negotiation.

    The Democrats apparently already have decided to try to push their version of the bill through the Senate using the reconciliation process:

    The legislation the White House will post on its website is expected to reflect common ground negotiated over the past several weeks by House and Senate Democratic leaders.

    Those agreements are likely to be combined as a privileged budget reconciliation bill, which only needs a simple 51-vote majority to pass the 100-member Senate instead of the 60-vote supermajority that has become routine in the Senate and gives Republicans power to block the healthcare bill.

    "I believe that's the path we are going to take," a senior congressional Democratic aide said.

    Using the reconciliation process for such sweeping, non-budgetary, legislation will take what now is a highly fractured political landscape and shake the ground like an earthquake.

    The reconciliation process was not intended to be used for social engineering, and the result will be the de facto elimination of the filibuster without an actual change in Senate Rules.

    Take it or leave it, or rather, take it with a few insignificant bones tossed your way, is not an invitation to negotiation. It is an invitation to legislative war:

    “They are coming out of the summit guns-a-blazing and they’re committed to reconciliation,” said one Democratic insider.
    The choice for Republicans in Congress is clear.

    Gol-damn it! The sheep in this country better WTFU. Alas, I don't think they're going to which begs the question of what I am going to do. I will NOT live in subservience to these bastards. Never!

    I think it's time to think in terms of a "tyrannical government" if things don't change significantly in November.

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  3. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    From a Cornell Law Prof:

    I have to hand it to team Obama. They do not give up on Obama's goal of remaking the health care system into the image that Obama wants.

    Even if Obama doesn't get everything he wants, if either of the current House or Senate versions passes, or some combined version, we will have government control through legislation and regulation over the most minute aspects of the health care system, and the people who use that system (i.e., everyone).

    There simply is nothing to negotiate if the plan includes, as it likely will, a big government approach.

    The latest "transparent" ploy is the televised "negotiation" on February 25. But Obama does not intend that event as a negotiation.

    The Democrats apparently already have decided to try to push their version of the bill through the Senate using the reconciliation process:

    The legislation the White House will post on its website is expected to reflect common ground negotiated over the past several weeks by House and Senate Democratic leaders.

    Those agreements are likely to be combined as a privileged budget reconciliation bill, which only needs a simple 51-vote majority to pass the 100-member Senate instead of the 60-vote supermajority that has become routine in the Senate and gives Republicans power to block the healthcare bill.

    "I believe that's the path we are going to take," a senior congressional Democratic aide said.

    Using the reconciliation process for such sweeping, non-budgetary, legislation will take what now is a highly fractured political landscape and shake the ground like an earthquake.

    The reconciliation process was not intended to be used for social engineering, and the result will be the de facto elimination of the filibuster without an actual change in Senate Rules.

    Take it or leave it, or rather, take it with a few insignificant bones tossed your way, is not an invitation to negotiation. It is an invitation to legislative war:

    “They are coming out of the summit guns-a-blazing and they’re committed to reconciliation,” said one Democratic insider.
    The choice for Republicans in Congress is clear.

    Gol-damn it! The sheep in this country better WTFU. Alas, I don't think they're going to which begs the question of what I am going to do. I will NOT live in subservience to these bastards. Never!

    I think it's time to think in terms of a "tyrannical government" if things don't change significantly in November.
    If something passes now and we get our way and significantly change the political landscape in DC in November will they be able to undo this thing? Or will it already be an entrenched entitlement/bureaucracy by then, which can't be repealed?
    Avidshooter (Texas)
    "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits." -- Plutarch

  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    If something passes now and we get our way and significantly change the political landscape in DC in November will they be able to undo this thing? Or will it already be an entrenched entitlement/bureaucracy by then, which can't be repealed?
    Sh#t...you can hear the outcry now from the socialists and the sheep: "Those nasty Conservatives are taking away our health care!". I'm really afraid that once it's in, there will not be many politicians with balls enough to get rid of it. Again, just my cynical nature...

  5. #14
    This is why I think we really need another Constitutional Convention so that we can hit the "reset" button. We can add the line-item veto and term limits for Congress, among others. I'd also like to eliminate most public-sector jobs and replace them with contracts to private firms that require renewal every so many years so that if service is bad we could let bids again and issue a new contract with another firm. Small government with private companies competing to provide the services, including the government schools.
    Avidshooter (Texas)
    "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits." -- Plutarch

  6. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    Fire them all because they ain't gettin it done per the Constitution.
    I agree however it may not make a difference. Every time we elect someone new we still get the same old Marxist crap.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Obahma Health Care

    After the Presidents health care scam yesterday to push his health care agenda I sent emails to Sen. Brown and Cong. Wilson this morning.


    Dear Charlie
    Dear Sherrod

    It is getting very clear we don't need your representation, nor your Obama Care. You and your friends are doing the best you can to destroy this Country.
    The people have spoken, but you missed the interpretation.

    Thank You
    Chuck
    “Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

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