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    THEY JUST DONT FREAKIN LEARN THAT WE THE PEOPLE DONT WANT THIS BS!
    By Donna Smith Donna Smith Fri Feb 19, 6:33 pm ET
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) President Barack Obama is expected to publish his healthcare plan as early as Sunday or Monday, combining features of the two Democratic bills passed by the Senate and House of Representatives, congressional aides and healthcare advocates said on Friday.
    Obama to spell out new healthcare plan - Yahoo! News
    The administration's bill will aim to jump-start the stalled healthcare overhaul and comes just days ahead of a planned televised White House summit with congressional Republicans, who are calling on Democrats to scrap the bills and start over with a far less sweeping proposal.

    Democrats are struggling to push healthcare legislation over the finish line in the face of sagging public support and solid Republican opposition bolstered by recent election victories in Massachusetts, Virginia and New Jersey.

    The legislation the White House will post on its website is expected to reflect common ground negotiated over the past several weeks by House and Senate Democratic leaders.

    Those agreements are likely to be combined as a privileged budget reconciliation bill, which only needs a simple 51-vote majority to pass the 100-member Senate instead of the 60-vote supermajority that has become routine in the Senate and gives Republicans power to block the healthcare bill.

    "I believe that's the path we are going to take," a senior congressional Democratic aide said.

    But it is not clear, even to congressional Democrats, what the White House will include in its legislation and whether Obama will try to add proposals aimed at attracting at least some Republican support.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have not signed off on any final agreement, several Democratic aides have said.

    "We are still waiting for the president to present to Leader Reid and Speaker Pelosi his plan," a Democratic leadership aide told Reuters.

    Valerie Jarrett, one of Obama's closest advisers, said the president would post his draft healthcare bill on the Internet in "the next couple of days."

    "The president is going to craft what he thinks is a good bill. It's not going to be a perfect bill but it's going to be a good bill," she said at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

    FACE-OFF WITH REPUBLICANS

    A move to use the budget reconciliation process would fuel Republican opposition even as Obama has called for more bipartisanship in the process.

    "If the president is sincere about moving forward in a bipartisan fashion, he must take the reconciliation process -- which will be used to jam through legislation that a majority of Americans do not want -- off the table," said Representative Eric Cantor, the second-ranking House Republican.

    The Obama face-off with Republicans will give Democrats an opportunity to try to sell their plan to the public and explain why a sweeping, comprehensive proposal is needed instead of the go slow, step-by-step approach advocated by Republicans.

    At a campaign event on Friday for Reid in Nevada, Obama blasted Republicans for opposing his healthcare overhaul. "The Republicans say that they've got a better way of doing it. So, I want them to put it on the table," he said.

    "We're going to move forward the Democratic proposal -- we hope the Republicans have one too," Obama said. "And we'll sit down and let's hammer it out. We'll go section by section. America can't solve our economic problems unless we tackle some of these structural problems."

    Healthcare advocacy groups are looking to the White House proposal and next Thursday's summit to shore up public support, and Democratic votes, in the push to get comprehensive legislation to Obama this year.

    "As soon as the president and (congressional Democratic) leadership are totally together on substance and a strategy, I think the votes will be there," said Ron Pollack, who heads the Families USA healthcare advocacy group.

    The administration, congressional Democrats and advocacy groups have been turning up the rhetorical heat on health insurers that have in recent weeks announced huge premium increases against the backdrop of sizable profits and growing numbers of uninsured people.

    "The premium increases are a powerful reminder that the healthcare problems are not going away," said David Kendall, a senior health policy advisor at centrist think tank Third Way.

    (Additional reporting by Patricia Zengerle in Washington and Jim Finkle in Cambridge, Massachusetts)

    (Reporting by Donna Smith; editing by Todd Eastham)
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    National health care is a necessity for building the euro-socialist paradise government (fascist and socialist-communists) types desire. If you look at European politics, health care is always an important (generally most important) issue for government. People become afraid of losing it once they have it -- much like our Social Security and Medicare debates. When you make a socialist style (snicker) program the central point of government policy, extending that type of control is fairly easy. We live in a nation where a substantial portion of the population doesn't want freedom or the responsibility it necessarily entails, they want government care and control. The 'nanny-state' is something their immature fears require.

    So, yes, you're right. statists who wish to control everything will never understand that many of us wish to be left alone to pick and choose what we want in our own lives. They fear freedom.
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.--River Tam

  4. You've got it backward. It's YOU who hasn't learned that they don't care what we want. They know very well we don't want it. It's not a learning issue.

  5. This country needs some sort of health care program to insure that everyone has access to a minimum level of care. Right now there are too many folks that can not afford to exist and also pay for health care.

    Both parties in DC are equally at fault for not coming up with a workable plan. The Elephant part was in power and did nothing. Now the Donkey party is not making much head way. Out elected officials all need to remember that they were elected to represent the people...not the party. They need to stop the childish bickering and set down at the table and come up with a plan that works for the people and forget to which party they claim allegiance.

    A good starting point would be to vote every incumbent out of office as soon as possible and set a limit on terms served. Career politicians are ruining the USA

    K

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    Pretty good post,... The system is seriously broke. Now insurance companies/pharmaceuticals are raising prices thru the ceiling in anticipation... In the mean time...... WE Pay...

    Quote Originally Posted by TXiceman View Post
    A good starting point would be to vote every incumbent out of office as soon as possible and set a limit on terms served. Career politicians are ruining the USA

    K
    In keeping with the career people...
    Rep. John Dingell to seek 28th term in Congress..
    Rep. John Dingell to seek 28th term in Congress | freep.com | Detroit Free Press
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGuy View Post
    You've got it backward. It's YOU who hasn't learned that they don't care what we want. They know very well we don't want it. It's not a learning issue.
    +1. Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGuy View Post
    You've got it backward. It's YOU who hasn't learned that they don't care what we want. They know very well we don't want it. It's not a learning issue.
    Fire them all because they ain't gettin it done per the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXiceman View Post
    This country needs some sort of health care program to insure that everyone has access to a minimum level of care. Right now there are too many folks that can not afford to exist and also pay for health care.

    Both parties in DC are equally at fault for not coming up with a workable plan. The Elephant part was in power and did nothing. Now the Donkey party is not making much head way. Out elected officials all need to remember that they were elected to represent the people...not the party. They need to stop the childish bickering and set down at the table and come up with a plan that works for the people and forget to which party they claim allegiance.

    A good starting point would be to vote every incumbent out of office as soon as possible and set a limit on terms served. Career politicians are ruining the USA

    K
    There already is a minimal level of healthcare for everyone. There is no healthcare crisis, except the one created by Federal Gov't entitlements. When someone else pays your healthcare bill (or any other for that matter) you stop caring about what the costs are. This is why healthcare costs have gotten out of hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGuy View Post
    You've got it backward. It's YOU who hasn't learned that they don't care what we want. They know very well we don't want it. It's not a learning issue.
    Correct. It's necessary that they pass this legislation, they're years behind in their attempt to socialize our country and join the New World Order. They must have complete control, it is their agenda. If they must sacrifice their political positions (2010 election) I believe they're prepared to do that because their time schedule demands it, and this opportunity may be their last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Correct. It's necessary that they pass this legislation, they're years behind in their attempt to socialize our country and join the New World Order. They must have complete control, it is their agenda. If they must sacrifice their political positions (2010 election) I believe they're prepared to do that because their time schedule demands it, and this opportunity may be their last.
    Agree wholeheartedly. They have a small window of opportunity and we have to call and write letters and make them understand that to pass this is political suicide.
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