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    so again my question is: Where the heck is the certificate???


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    By MARK NIESSE, Associated Press Writer Mark Niesse, Associated Press Writer – Wed Mar 17, 2:48 am ET

    HONOLULU – Birthers beware: Hawaii may start ignoring your repeated requests for proof that President Barack Obama was born here.

    As the state continues to receive e-mails seeking Obama's birth certificate, the state House Judiciary Committee heard a bill Tuesday permitting government officials to ignore people who won't give up.

    "Sometimes we may be dealing with a cohort of people who believe lack of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy," said Lorrin Kim, chief of the Hawaii Department of Health's Office of Planning, Policy and Program Development.

    So-called "birthers" claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president.

    Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she's seen vital records that prove Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

    But the state still gets between 10 and 20 e-mails seeking verification of Obama's birth each week, most of them from outside Hawaii, Kim said Tuesday.

    A few of these requesters continue to pepper the Health Department with the same letters seeking the same information, even after they're told state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.

    Both Fukino and the state registrar of vital statistics have verified that the Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

    The issue coincides with Sunshine Week, when news organizations promote open government and freedom of information.

    "Do we really want to be known internationally as the Legislature that blocked any inquiries into where President Obama was born?" asked Rep. Cynthia Thielen, R-Kaneohe-Kailua. "When people want to get more information, the way to fuel that fire is to say, 'We're now going to draw down a veil of secrecy.'"

    Nobody at the hearing questioned the fact that the president was born in Hawaii.

    Attorney Peter Fritz asked why the state would pass a law punishing repetitive requests for open records. Instead, the state could simply say it would only answer each person's question once.

    If the measure passed, the state Office of Information Practices could declare an individual a "vexatious requester" and restrict rights to government records for two years.

    The committee will schedule a vote on the measure, said Chairman Jon Riki Karamatsu, D-Waipahu-Waikele.

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    The measure is SB2937.

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    I am going to go against the grain ,,,,again.

    This whole thing about Barry's birth certificate.

    Can we just lay this to rest?

    If Obomber is a citizen, great. If he is not, nobody has proved it. Not even Hillary.

    If he was born overseas the record of that birth is buried deep.

    I think our time and efforts could be better served coming up with ideas, on how to stop Barry and his Minions, when they come for our guns.

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    If he is not a citizen then him being president is in violation of the constitution. Does the constitution matter?
    If he is a citizen why is he using taxpayer money to keep from showing the certificate?
    Is he above the law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    If he is not a citizen then him being president is in violation of the constitution. Does the constitution matter?

    Apparently NOT...


    If he is a citizen why is he using taxpayer money to keep from showing the certificate?


    Rant Mode: On ... Here in FL, where both my wife and myself have maintained driver's licences for 50 plus years...the state is now requiring us to jump through all kinds of hoops to renew. My wife goes into the local DL office last week with all of her 'papers' in hand, including her birth cert, complete with the little footprints and all, and they tell her, they can't/won't accept it...she has to go (by mail) to her birth state, and get a 'certified' one... They tell her 'it's not our fault', it's the Fed HLS, that is requiring it'...

    There is nothing in the USC that allows the Fed Govt to tell states how they may or may not issue DL's, yet ours is complying like the sheep they are... My point being, that if Barry O'Commie can hold the job of POTUS, without supplying certified proper evidence of his birth, and we can't even get DL renewals without doing so, then something is absolutley WRONG!

    If I'm 'still around' when mine comes up for renewal in a couple years, I will NOT comply, at least not until Barry does...I'll be driving without before I will submit to their BS 'laws'... As an added fact, we both have been 'veted' and have maintained state issued CCW permits since they were originally issued, and yet they DEMAND that we provide further proof of our birth status.


    Is he above the law?

    Apparently SO.


    Rant Mode: Off

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    so again my question is: Where the heck is the certificate???


    Hawaii considering law to ignore Obama 'birthers' - Yahoo! News


    Hawaii considering law to ignore Obama 'birthers'
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    President Obama delivers remarks on health insurance reform in Strongsville, Ohio Reuters – President Barack Obama delivers remarks on health insurance reform at Walter F. Ehrnfelt Recreation and …



    By MARK NIESSE, Associated Press Writer Mark Niesse, Associated Press Writer – Wed Mar 17, 2:48 am ET

    HONOLULU – Birthers beware: Hawaii may start ignoring your repeated requests for proof that President Barack Obama was born here.

    As the state continues to receive e-mails seeking Obama's birth certificate, the state House Judiciary Committee heard a bill Tuesday permitting government officials to ignore people who won't give up.

    "Sometimes we may be dealing with a cohort of people who believe lack of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy," said Lorrin Kim, chief of the Hawaii Department of Health's Office of Planning, Policy and Program Development.

    So-called "birthers" claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president.

    Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she's seen vital records that prove Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

    But the state still gets between 10 and 20 e-mails seeking verification of Obama's birth each week, most of them from outside Hawaii, Kim said Tuesday.

    A few of these requesters continue to pepper the Health Department with the same letters seeking the same information, even after they're told state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.

    Both Fukino and the state registrar of vital statistics have verified that the Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

    The issue coincides with Sunshine Week, when news organizations promote open government and freedom of information.

    "Do we really want to be known internationally as the Legislature that blocked any inquiries into where President Obama was born?" asked Rep. Cynthia Thielen, R-Kaneohe-Kailua. "When people want to get more information, the way to fuel that fire is to say, 'We're now going to draw down a veil of secrecy.'"

    Nobody at the hearing questioned the fact that the president was born in Hawaii.

    Attorney Peter Fritz asked why the state would pass a law punishing repetitive requests for open records. Instead, the state could simply say it would only answer each person's question once.

    If the measure passed, the state Office of Information Practices could declare an individual a "vexatious requester" and restrict rights to government records for two years.

    The committee will schedule a vote on the measure, said Chairman Jon Riki Karamatsu, D-Waipahu-Waikele.

    ___

    The measure is SB2937.

    ____

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    What Dr Fukino actually said... "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.""

    Carefully omitting the fact that individuals born on foreign soil could get such a document created in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth...

    So notice the misreporting from Snopes and FactCheck. (Obama's former employer & campaign contributor) Dr Fukino did not at that time state that "there is no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii" but only that an "original birth certificate" was "on record" thus giving many valid reasons to reject the claims of Snopes and FactCheck... and everybody duplicating said information...

    E.G.:

    Back in December Values Voter News reported that Snopes.com and FactCheck.org needed some snoping and fact checking themselves on the issue of Obama's birth certificate. Both groups concluded:

    "FactCheck.org says, "Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu."

    Snopes.com says, "State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii."."

    To which Values Voter News responded by showing how Snopes.com and FactCheck.org both quoted the director of Hawaii's Department of Health confirming only that she verified an original birth certificate and nothing about where he was born. Let me quote from that post:

    "...at snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate. It is stated that "in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth certificate".

    FactCheck.org agrees at FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.. "Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate."

    So then Values Voter News compared the conclusion that Snopes and FactCheck made from what Dr Fukino (the director of Hawaii's Department of Health) actually said side by side:

    "Snopes and FactCheck said, "The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu and State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii"

    When in actuality Dr Fukino said, "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.""

    So notice the misreporting from Snopes and FactCheck. Dr Fukino did not at that time state that "there is no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii" but only that an "original birth certificate" was "on record" thus giving many valid reason to reject the claims of Snopes and FactCheck at the time.

    First a quick comment to note. Values Voter News has noticed that web sites change and Values Voter News has yet to verify if this is what those sites continue to say to this date. Snopes.com does not give its readers an edit history to verify changes made on their site. They only give a last updated on so and so date at the bottom of the post. See evidence of this at Snopes.com changes hospital of Obama's birth 90 minutes after WND.COM article but has no conclusive evidence of correction according to Wikipedia.

    Now to what was really wanted to be said here. Dr Fukino has recently revised her original statement to now include not only that she has "personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record" but now that she has "...seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

    So the only thing she added to the statement was that she not only verified the original birth certificate/vital records but that she now has verified in addition to that that "...Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen." This is a breakthru that confirms the just criticism of Snopes.com and FactCheck.org. Notice the only difference between the two statements is that Dr Fukino has now answered the just criticism. There is another settle difference that will be noted here that being the difference between "original birth certificate" and now she says "original vital records". This may or may not matter but is documented for notes sake.

    Now that Dr Fukino has stated this we can continue to conclude the facts of the case as being:

    Fact 1: The Certificate of Live Birth that Obama posted on his web site being a "copy" proves there is an "original birth certificate/vital records". This naturally led many to seek the original to evidence forth the copy.

    Fact 2: Dr Fukino states she verified the existence of the "original birth certificate/vital records" in '08. This naturally led many to seek to know what the "original birth certificate/vital records" actually read.

    Fact 3: Dr Fukino states she has verified what is said on the "original birth certificate/vital records" namely that Obama is born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen in '09. This is naturally leading many to want to see it for themselves or to have further verification by more then one.

    Fact 4: The Obama Administration has yet to release those documents to the public or anyone else as far as we know nor has Dr Fukino. This is naturally leading many to question why.

    Fact 5: So the best evidence we have of Obama's natural born citizenship via his original birth certificate/vital records to date is the statement by Dr Fukino.

    Now wherever you stand on this issue is up to you. These are the facts. If Dr Fukino's word is good enough for you and you think her word should settle this issue then fine. But none the less at least be understanding of those who seek better evidence when it is available to seek.

    So now the obvious and fair question that Big Media and those on the left on this issue are ignoring is: Why not release the evidence? This is not about a conspiracy but rather transparency. Why not release the information to the public or to a non-partisan independent group of some sort or to respected members of both sides to verify? Is it really enough to go on this Dr's word?

    So in conclusion what is at base from the perspective here at Values Voter News that is fueling the fire of this controversy is the Administration's and Big Media's inability to put out the flames by actually fanning those flames themselves by:

    #1) not asking the right question of the Obama Administration which is: Why not release the original birth certificate/vital records that Dr Fukino has confirmed exists that according to her proves Obama's natural born citizenship?

    #2) whenever the issue is brought up by a better informed/understanding of the issue media the Obama Administration continues to fan the flame by failing to answer the above question by continually pointing to the birth certificate they produced online which totally skirts the question.

    #3) Big Media only repeats what the Administration set forth in their answer and refuses to seek the best evidence available that is known to exists.

    So if Big Media and the Obama Administration want this to go away then they can take some steps forward to practice what they preach by 1) asking the right question then 2) answering the question and 3) to seek and reveal the best evidence that exists.

    Again it's about transparency not conspiracy and seeking the best possible evidence when known to exist.

    Dr Fukino's second statement confirms errors at Snopes.com and FactCheck over Obama's birth certificate:
    Dr Fukino's second statement confirms errors at Snopes.com and FactCheck over Obama's birth certificate | Values Voter News

    IF he is not hiding something why pay millions in legal fees (taken from his campaign contributions coincidentally, according to the FEC, et.al.) to keep it under wraps?...

    Why not do what John McCain did... here is everything you have asked for, if you need/want anything else JUST ASK...

    Which concluded the Congressional Hearings held at the same time, the same question was asked of both individuals; John McCain did the open, honest & honorable thing; Obama lawyer'd up...

    WE THE PEOPLE are coming for you USURPER IN CHIEF...
    This will not go away, no matter how long it takes...

    THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Exclamation If Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen...

    If Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen...it would mean that EVERY piece of legislation signed by him is null and void. It would also mean that EVERYappointment made under him was null and void. That is why they are fighting this tooth and nail. The liberals do not want to loose everything and that would do the trick. The American people would see them for the liars that they are. THIS IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS THAT WOULD TEAR OUR NATION APART! The rabid supporters of a Constitution shredding Proponent of change VS the Radical right and the the media demonized gun owning, anti-abortion, rule of law, military supporting...you get the picture. It is us the GOOD GUYS VS them the BAD GUYS. The founding fathers warned of just such a scenario when they forbade any dual citizen from becoming president. It was foresight designed to prevent what is happening now. Had the vetting precess taken place the way it was supposed to...we would not be in the mess we are in now. Treason has been afoot from the start, and this is how.

    The Attorney General of the US did not fully participate in the vetting process by ensuring the ballots had only Natural Born US citizens.

    The Attorney Generals of all 50 states did not demand proof of Citizenship.

    The heads of BOTH parties did not demand proof of Citizenship.

    The Electoral College did not demand proof of Citizenship.

    Every one of the people listed above have caused grave damage to the USA and to the constitutionality of the process.


    All of the above have had a hand in where we are and now we need to fix this situation once and for all. Call your congressman and demand to see proof of eligibility for every single candidate from here on out. If they cannot or will not support this then vote them out. Let them see some hard times as hated and unemployed citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Is Obama constitutionally eligible to serve?

    What Dr Fukino actually said... "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.""

    Carefully omitting the fact that individuals born on foreign soil could get such a document created in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth...

    So notice the misreporting from Snopes and FactCheck. (Obama's former employer & campaign contributor) Dr Fukino did not at that time state that "there is no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii" but only that an "original birth certificate" was "on record" thus giving many valid reasons to reject the claims of Snopes and FactCheck... and everybody duplicating said information...

    E.G.:

    Back in December Values Voter News reported that Snopes.com and FactCheck.org needed some snoping and fact checking themselves on the issue of Obama's birth certificate. Both groups concluded:

    "FactCheck.org says, "Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu."

    Snopes.com says, "State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii."."

    To which Values Voter News responded by showing how Snopes.com and FactCheck.org both quoted the director of Hawaii's Department of Health confirming only that she verified an original birth certificate and nothing about where he was born. Let me quote from that post:

    "...at snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate. It is stated that "in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth certificate".

    FactCheck.org agrees at FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.. "Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate."

    So then Values Voter News compared the conclusion that Snopes and FactCheck made from what Dr Fukino (the director of Hawaii's Department of Health) actually said side by side:

    "Snopes and FactCheck said, "The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu and State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii"

    When in actuality Dr Fukino said, "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.""

    So notice the misreporting from Snopes and FactCheck. Dr Fukino did not at that time state that "there is no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii" but only that an "original birth certificate" was "on record" thus giving many valid reason to reject the claims of Snopes and FactCheck at the time.

    First a quick comment to note. Values Voter News has noticed that web sites change and Values Voter News has yet to verify if this is what those sites continue to say to this date. Snopes.com does not give its readers an edit history to verify changes made on their site. They only give a last updated on so and so date at the bottom of the post. See evidence of this at Snopes.com changes hospital of Obama's birth 90 minutes after WND.COM article but has no conclusive evidence of correction according to Wikipedia.

    Now to what was really wanted to be said here. Dr Fukino has recently revised her original statement to now include not only that she has "personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record" but now that she has "...seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

    So the only thing she added to the statement was that she not only verified the original birth certificate/vital records but that she now has verified in addition to that that "...Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen." This is a breakthru that confirms the just criticism of Snopes.com and FactCheck.org. Notice the only difference between the two statements is that Dr Fukino has now answered the just criticism. There is another settle difference that will be noted here that being the difference between "original birth certificate" and now she says "original vital records". This may or may not matter but is documented for notes sake.

    Now that Dr Fukino has stated this we can continue to conclude the facts of the case as being:

    Fact 1: The Certificate of Live Birth that Obama posted on his web site being a "copy" proves there is an "original birth certificate/vital records". This naturally led many to seek the original to evidence forth the copy.

    Fact 2: Dr Fukino states she verified the existence of the "original birth certificate/vital records" in '08. This naturally led many to seek to know what the "original birth certificate/vital records" actually read.

    Fact 3: Dr Fukino states she has verified what is said on the "original birth certificate/vital records" namely that Obama is born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen in '09. This is naturally leading many to want to see it for themselves or to have further verification by more then one.

    Fact 4: The Obama Administration has yet to release those documents to the public or anyone else as far as we know nor has Dr Fukino. This is naturally leading many to question why.

    Fact 5: So the best evidence we have of Obama's natural born citizenship via his original birth certificate/vital records to date is the statement by Dr Fukino.

    Now wherever you stand on this issue is up to you. These are the facts. If Dr Fukino's word is good enough for you and you think her word should settle this issue then fine. But none the less at least be understanding of those who seek better evidence when it is available to seek.

    So now the obvious and fair question that Big Media and those on the left on this issue are ignoring is: Why not release the evidence? This is not about a conspiracy but rather transparency. Why not release the information to the public or to a non-partisan independent group of some sort or to respected members of both sides to verify? Is it really enough to go on this Dr's word?

    So in conclusion what is at base from the perspective here at Values Voter News that is fueling the fire of this controversy is the Administration's and Big Media's inability to put out the flames by actually fanning those flames themselves by:

    #1) not asking the right question of the Obama Administration which is: Why not release the original birth certificate/vital records that Dr Fukino has confirmed exists that according to her proves Obama's natural born citizenship?

    #2) whenever the issue is brought up by a better informed/understanding of the issue media the Obama Administration continues to fan the flame by failing to answer the above question by continually pointing to the birth certificate they produced online which totally skirts the question.

    #3) Big Media only repeats what the Administration set forth in their answer and refuses to seek the best evidence available that is known to exists.

    So if Big Media and the Obama Administration want this to go away then they can take some steps forward to practice what they preach by 1) asking the right question then 2) answering the question and 3) to seek and reveal the best evidence that exists.

    Again it's about transparency not conspiracy and seeking the best possible evidence when known to exist.

    Dr Fukino's second statement confirms errors at Snopes.com and FactCheck over Obama's birth certificate:
    Dr Fukino's second statement confirms errors at Snopes.com and FactCheck over Obama's birth certificate | Values Voter News

    IF he is not hiding something why pay millions in legal fees (taken from his campaign contributions coincidentally, according to the FEC, et.al.) to keep it under wraps?...

    Why not do what John McCain did... here is everything you have asked for, if you need/want anything else JUST ASK...

    Which concluded the Congressional Hearings held at the same time, the same question was asked of both individuals; John McCain did the open, honest & honorable thing; Obama lawyer'd up...

    WE THE PEOPLE are coming for you USURPER IN CHIEF...
    This will not go away, no matter how long it takes...

    THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT...

    It's gonna be a while before they can release his birth certificate. They're still waiting for the ink to dry.

    All kidding aside, last I heard, the entire volume of birth records that obama's birth certificate is in has been removed from where the rest of the records are stored. This particular volume has been secured in a vault containing other extremely sensitive documents.

    On a side note, I have many friends who have birth certificates from the same time frame that have a stated place of birth other than Hawaii. They too have copies of the birth announcement clipped from the morning newspaper.

    The release of the original obama birth certificate is LONG OVERDUE!



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    I am going to go against the grain ,,,,again.

    This whole thing about Barry's birth certificate.

    Can we just lay this to rest?

    If Obomber is a citizen, great. If he is not, nobody has proved it. Not even Hillary.

    If he was born overseas the record of that birth is buried deep.

    I think our time and efforts could be better served coming up with ideas, on how to stop Barry and his Minions, when they come for our guns.
    I'm waiting for your suggestions. Are you really going to wait until they come for your guns? Better come up with a better plan than that.

    If we have an impostor in the White House, that is about as serious as you can get. Another investigation has discovered that Obama has used at least 39 different Social Security #'s.

    MY take is, if he's a citizen, why are all of his records sealed, why doesn't anyone at his college know of him, and why doesn't he simply produce records and shut everyone up.

    If he's NOT a citizen, he has to be taken out of office, period. Impeachment would not be a course of action, since he wouldn't be a legitimate president. I'd say treason, and a long prison sentence would be a good start.
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