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    Quote Originally Posted by jwtollett21 View Post
    Ten years down the road, Once the ruckous is over and the media lets the healthcare talk die down, and the bill is paying for its self while at the same time saving our government billions of dollars millions of americans will be receiving the care they need and everything will be ok. And Hopefully, this Obamacare is a step toward socialized medicine or a public option.
    Youíre kidding right? If you donít see that our elected leaders are taking us down the path to socialism then thereís probably no point in my even responding. But I will.

    This whole health care debacle started out as health insurance reform, at least thatís what we were told. Why was insurance reform not addressed at all, only government takeover of the health care system. If you think that government run health care is a good thing I suggest you look at Canada and Great Britain. Both countries are now retreating from government only health care and looking to sanction private insurance. Google it. Why, because government health care doesnít reduce cost, only access to health care which is also known as rationing.

    Medicare and Medicade are bankrupt and social security is now paying out more than itís taking in. Just three of the programs run by the government and unfunded liabilities that amount to more to almost $100 trillion. Google it. Medicare was introduced in 1965 and was not supposed to cost more than $3 billion per year. In 2008 Medicare costs were $595 Billion, 20% of the federal budget.

    Most egregious is the blatant abuse of power and disregard for the rule of law. Where does the president derive powers to nationalize health care and force US citizens to purchase coverage or be fined and or imprisoned. Where in the constitution is the president given power to nationalize private industry as in the car companies or set salary and bonus limits for the banking industry. If the constitution can be ignored then laws can be made, changed or eliminated at will by those in power. We are a nation of laws as defined by our constitution and if it is not followed then all bets are off. It will only be matter of time before the 2nd amendment is discarded and firearms outlawed. Again I point you to Canada and Great Britain as examples.

    My son is getting ready for his second deployment to Afghanistan. He and those he serves with swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Itís about time our nationís leaders honored their oath and recognized the constitution as the rule of law in the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    I am working middle class and this legislation will take away your choice of medical insurance coverage and cause premiums to rise. It was passed even though all three major polls showed it to be unpopular. Medicare and Social Security are almost broke and now they want to spend billions more on socialized medicine. I ask you how can a bill cost 940 billion dollars and end up paying for itself? It can't because, like most other cost estimates by the government, it will end up costing much more. I have great medical coverage and under this bill may lose it because it may not meet the requirements of the government. We are headed towards being a socialist nation whether you want to admit it or not. Want some opinions talk to Cubans who were there when Castro took over. Ask them how he did it.
    +1!! Next on obummer's agenda; our GUNS!! I believe that will be the catalyst that plunges this nation into civil war!! "From my cold dead hands". Obummer, you ain't touchin' my guns you dictatorial, narcissistic bastard!!!

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    JW pull your head out of the sand. Who do you think supplies the jobs for the middle close. It sure isn't the people living under bridges. You won't think Obamacare is so great when you have to wait for some government panel to decide if your health care will pencil out. It will be the middle class that will end up paying for this mess. Not the rich that can afford higher taxes or the poor who pay no taxes.
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

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    JW. I see you came back to gloat over the destruction of America at the hands of your messiah and the traitors in congress. I thought for a while you might be in rehab trying to dry out.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    i agree with the earlier statement about obamacare passing when the poles showed it was not wanted. and i also agree the necxt thing will be our guns. and yes that will cause civil war number 2. and when they decide to take my weapons. the only way they will get them is kill me first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glockster20 View Post
    JW!! You're back!! I had a feeling you might pop back in after obummercare passed..
    That thought popped in the other day on a thread... The toilet guy has due back...
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    What can i say. I can never leave you guys. We are meant for each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    To a great extent we are already under a dictatorship. We are not completely there yet but we are knocking on the doors.
    Their agenda is total control...FROM WOMB TO TOMB...they're almost there.
    ~ God Hates Religion ~
    "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to HELL"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Their agenda is total control...FROM WOMB TO TOMB...they're almost there.
    Yep...that's the way I see it, too, Ringo. From Constitutional Republic to Socialism to Communism.
    Conservative Wife & Mom -- I'm a Conservative Christian-American with dual citizenship...the Kingdom of God is my 1st home and the U.S.A. is my 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwtollett21 View Post
    this communism talk is hilarious. Do any of you feel like medicare and social security have dictated your lives. WHat about the schools your kids go to or the roads you drive on. Do you feel dictated by the government people. The answer is NO NO NO. Same thing with this new piece of legislation. Same old story and opposition the republicans gave back when they opposed medicare.They are for the rich and always will be. Screw the working and middle class as long as the big corporations and super wealthy receive their tax cuts. What amuzed me in the health care summit they had at the white house a while back is how the republicans were acting like they were trying to protect medicare and keep it solvent. HA ha thats so funny. Did i miss the boat somewhere or were the republicans against it from the get go and if it was up to their party they would privitize ss and medicare. Ten years down the road, Once the ruckous is over and the media lets the healthcare talk die down, and the bill is paying for its self while at the same time saving our government billions of dollars millions of americans will be receiving the care they need and everything will be ok. And Hopefully, this Obamacare is a step toward socialized medicine or a public option.
    Do you live in a cave, or are you just so thick-skulled that nothing enters your brain? I would advise you to do your own little investigative research before you speak any further, because right now, you have no idea what you are talking about.

    The health care bill is just a step. A step that was forced on the people by a Congress and president who have decided that they know what is best for America. This will be followed by cap & trade, immigration and a host of other "progressive" bills that no one wants, but that our un-representatives will decide for us, for our own good.

    NOW - did you know that Obama wants our high-schoolers to read Saul Alinski's "Rules for Radicals"? Why do you think that would be, Mr. Toilet? Do you even know WHO Saul Alinski is? Have you heard Andy Stern talk about his idea of "power to the people?" He said, and I quote, "it's not just an idea anymore. And we will use the power of persuasion, and if that doesn't work, we will use the persuasion of power."

    A Congresswoman states in public that "we will socialize...we will take over your companies!" Do you know who Bill Ayers is? Do you know he is a close friend of Obama? Have you ever heard of the Cloward-Piven strategy? Do you have any knowledge of the history of socialism/Marxism/progressivism in this country? Do you actually KNOW any American history?

    And last but not least, did you know how much American capitalist companies pay in taxes compared to everyone else? About 1% of business in this country pays 90% of the taxes. And they USED TO employ the majority of us peons. Where is unemployment right now, smart-ass? That's right - down with capitalism, power to the people. I'll bet that you even agree with Nazi Pelosi that health care is a right granted by the Constitution. Along with free housing, free education, a guaranteed job, and a government who watches over all of us from cradle to grave.

    Go and read our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution - thoroughly. Then come back here and tell us how our government is empowered to control our lives. And think about one simple thing (your brain might be able to do this): if this health care bill is so good for the American people, why will Congress and the unions be able to stay out of it. If this is such a good plan, it ought to be good enough for all of us.
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